Live data from Hacker News

MacOS sometimes leaks traffic after system updates

mullvad.net

241–250 of 262 posts

Re: MacOS sometimes leaks traffic after system updates

#241

I've heard NixOS is good, but I guess I still need a GUI os because of browser and some apps I use regularly. I would love to get out of the macOS world, its going to a bad place. Seems like I've configured my whole digital life around apple.

> I've heard NixOS is good, but I guess I still need a GUI os because of browser and some apps I use regularly.

What? NixOS runs GUIs just fine. (This comment sent from a browser on NixOS)

Re: MacOS sometimes leaks traffic after system updates

#242

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’ll put this out there, currently there’s no better platform than macOS on apple silicon for developing ai systems. I’m not a stranger to Linux or the command line. I own, use, configure servers as part of my business, including the dreaded on metal cuda install. In fact, the terminal integration in macOS is one of the biggest things over windows for me. But, every time I try linux desktop, for the past 20 years, it…

>there’s no better platform than macOS on apple silicon for developing ai systems. Lmao WHAT? The ANE system isn't even remotely useful, since is primarily designed for running Apple AI stuff. This is why its integration is so spotty. IIRC, Tinygrad is faster on apple silicon than pytorch at this moment, solely because they did a whole bunch of reverse engineering. Laptops for ML is just a lost cause as far as matrix…

>Nobody is actually doing any serious work on ML stuff on laptops.

Was just training a 52gb radiology model. Please point me in the direction of any other platform that can do that for 5k.

>Windows has WSL2

Macos can run VMs too.

>here is a particular bug that doesn't exist on Macs

Yes, my laptop doesn't require a hard reboot after closing the lid. Linux fans won't understand this. If you want more particular bugs, network drivers, amd video cards, trackpad not clicking on the login screen, screen resizing, external monitors via usbc, TweaksUI as a concept. There's no point pretending this isn't a thing, everyone has a story.

As I said, I'm not new here. I've been using linux for 20 years. Linux desktop is garbage no matter the tangent you want to explore. I have 3 developers using windows so know all about developing ai with wsl and the fun problems that come along with that.

Re: MacOS sometimes leaks traffic after system updates

#243

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I very much doubt that. I tried installing Fedora on my new laptop, and the defaults are horrible. It doesn't even support two-finger gestures on the login screen, so you have to right click in a different way before logging in. At least it's not as bad as Ubuntu, which allowed me with a simple warning to install Nvidia drivers without a full system update, which broke the system so badly it couldn't even boot anymor…

> It doesn't even support two-finger gestures on the login screen, so you have to right click in a different way before logging in. A default setting you don't like and have to adjust? How horrible. > At least it's not as bad as Ubuntu, which allowed me with a simple warning to install Nvidia drivers without a full system update So...user error? > And Debian is horrible too, it doesn't even have a task bar of any kin…

> A default setting you don't like and have to adjust? How horrible.

No, even after adjusting the settings, they only apply after you log in. So every time you hit the login screen, you get the default settings again until you log in.

> So...user error?

Yes, of course. And it's well known that the penalty for user error is supposed to be complete failure to boot, especially for people new to a system.

> Now I get it, this is satire for someone complaining about the Linux experience. Good one!

Maybe throw in some constructive ideas rather than empty grandstanding? Is it supposed to be a good thing to not have a list of running apps? Is it normal to have to install extensions to your desktop environment to make it work for common worlflows?

I am not complaining about defaults here, there is just no option in Gnome to get a basic bit of UI working like all other desktop environments have worked for 30 years, including Mac, Windows, KDE, XFCE, and past Gnomes. You have to discover and install 3rd party software to get basic UI. This would be like someone launching a new browser that doesn't support tabs out of the box, and people saying "oh, don't complain, there's an extension someone else made that adds tab support".

And note that I'm specifically criticizing the out of the box experience, not the state you can get your system to: I was specifically responding to a claim that the out of the box experience is "great".

Re: MacOS sometimes leaks traffic after system updates

#244
post #180

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Would you prefer diletantic government intervention in this area instead what kind of answer is that exactly? I would much prefer they fix the issue, yes, the stuff I'm using is provided by Apple and it's been paid off in full, I don't know what made people believe that it's ok if software sucks... If a train company causes an accident they are considered liable if a software company leaks my data they should be co…

The complaint was the governemnt does nothing, because they lack a clear solution, to the non trivial problem of todays megacorps and their Power since they control our gadgets. Do you happen to have a concrete solution?

> Do you happen to have a concrete solution?

Don't buy Apple products?

at least until they clear their act...

Re: MacOS sometimes leaks traffic after system updates

#246

Earlier quoted context omitted.

it’s very cohesive and stable by comparison to Windows. It’s beautifully designed compared to KDE. It’s most similar to gnome. if you’re the kinda guy who sees it as user hostile, I’d wager it’s because you refuse to learn the macOS/gnome paradigm and demand things to be how they were on your windows pc 30 years ago. what os/dwm do u use

>It’s beautifully designed I hope you understand that when you say this, its pretty easy to see that you are solely in the ideological camp of liking Apple, not a rational one.

Pot. Kettle. But just Linux for you, right?

Re: MacOS sometimes leaks traffic after system updates

#247
post #233

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are "forced to pay taxes" to have schools and roads and rescue services and law and everything else that makes the United States still a mostly habitable place to live. Corporations do not force you to pay taxes YET. When the corporations get in total control and you cannot even vote just wait to see what a slave you are.

> You are "forced to pay taxes" to have schools and roads and rescue services and law and everything else that makes the United States still a mostly habitable place to live. I don't live in the US, and don't pay taxes for that. Most of the things you mention aren't even public goods. (See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_good_(economics) ) In any case, I grew up in Germany and have adopted Singapore as my home.…

Singapore is a success because of the government:

https://www.npr.org/2015/03/29/395811510/how-singapore-becam...

"Some of the biggest sectors domestically — shipbuilding, electronics, banking, and now they're very involved in private banking — got their start because Lee Kuan Yew and the government specially directed state funds into those areas," Kurlantzick says.

The government also provided social services like housing and health care, in a way liberal economists applauded."

"He understood the politics of this very diverse place, and put together the laws, including the labor laws, that created a stable, peaceful place that multinationals were looking for," Lim says.

And it is good for you, but what about people who are not you?

"People live well, but the per capita GDP conceals a high level of inequality, so that is definitely a major issue in Singapore today and one of the things that the current prime minister has focused on," he says.

Re: MacOS sometimes leaks traffic after system updates

#248

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Vast majority of all laptop and even phone usage is single user. They could literally be doing if macbook_has_only_one_account(): preloadapps()

But how? - surely they don't store the passwords in plain text locally? Does the OS have a function to log in a user while bypassing their credentials? I would have assumed that it is impossible for the OS to preloadapps() when it doesn't have access to the user's apps in the first place. But apparently it does! shrug So why tell the user that they need to log in first? If they are the only user account on the system…

The OS at its core doesn't care about credentials. As long as there is a root process, which there is for init. It can simply execute a process as another user id.

With how modern macbooks and many other laptops work nowadays, you are rarely fully turning off the device and simply hibernating it constantly which keeps everything loaded in memory.

I don't deny there are security implications. But it's an Apple design choice. lol

Re: MacOS sometimes leaks traffic after system updates

#249
post #229

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Governments are adopting the international outreach of megacorps. Megacorps are adopting the level of competence of governments. I see no contradiction here.

> Megacorps are adopting the level of competence of governments. Any sources for that? From all the studies (and anecdotes) I've seen, MNCs are vastly more competent that most local companies, and the latter are also _usually_ still more competent than government.

The post I replied to said:

> By and large, governments are still vastly less competent than multinational corporations.

I just agreed with them. Adopring the level of competence of governments, when governments are not competent, doesn't imply an upward movement.

Re: MacOS sometimes leaks traffic after system updates

#250

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The only issue that I have ever had with drivers is when the ubuntu automatic install defaulted to the latest open source ones which weren't being recognized. For a whole bunch of other installations, following official linux instructions on Nvidia works incredibly well. Im probably up to like 30 installs of linux mint on laptops and desktops, without issues. I had a personal laptop with manjaro that suppored nvidia…

I don't know maybe I've just been unlucky, but at least for me on a couple of different laptops I regularly get full desktop freezes on Debian & Fedora from using things like VMs / GPU accelerated browser (Chrome) / Other things (I don't actually use CUDA/AI much at all but I suspect the issues come from sharing of GPU resources across apps, could be wrong) This doesn't happen on Windows nearly as much on the same la…

> a couple of different laptops

Just like with Mac and Windows, you should buy a laptop with preinstalled Linux to avoid hardware problems. Even suspend is flawless on my Librem 14.

Post reply on HN