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Re: Furilabs Linux Phone

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Post by INTPenis »

attah_ wrote: post #91
INTPenis wrote: post #48

Why not use the open source Android? I just feel like it would be more mature. And yes I like many others here have been trying Linux phones for 10+ years, since N900. Your phone just has to work, it can't crash because you get a call, or hide buttons because the UI is confused by orientation. IT MUST WORK. So that's why I wonder why people don't just use Android.

It's like using Chromium or whatever clone-a-chrome is hip at the moment. That does absolutely nothing to disrupt the status quo and is very much at the whim of the upstream "owner" whether you want to see it or not.

Disrupting the status-quo is important, but having a working communication device is more important to me. If AOSP is further along towards a working phone then I don't see why we shouldn't focus development efforts on it.

It only benefits the open source market in the long run because a working device will garner wider adoption.

Re: Furilabs Linux Phone

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Post by seba_dos1 »

GranPC wrote: post #27
jchw wrote: post #13

Apparently it is based on Halium, so it's probably not going to run mainline Linux any time soon. On the other hand, I'm less happy with Android than I pretty much ever have been, so having some more options outside of relatively unusable Linux phones and being stuck with modified Android firmware certainly does not hurt. I am definitely interested, especially if the team working on it is as active as it seems they a…

I work on this device. We are currently QAing the latest update with our community, which contains a lot of goodies and improvements shaped directly from community feedback. You can see previous changelogs at https://furilabs.com/changelog I am obviously a little biased, but this is probably the first Linux phone that people can actually use. Someone in our community switched from iPhone to this without much of an is…

> this is probably the first Linux phone that people can actually use

I'm actually using GNU/Linux phones since 2008. Never relied on Halium.

Re: Furilabs Linux Phone

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Post by seba_dos1 »

silverliver wrote: post #240
jchw wrote: post #13

Apparently it is based on Halium, so it's probably not going to run mainline Linux any time soon. On the other hand, I'm less happy with Android than I pretty much ever have been, so having some more options outside of relatively unusable Linux phones and being stuck with modified Android firmware certainly does not hurt. I am definitely interested, especially if the team working on it is as active as it seems they a…

Is there any phone that runs mainline Linux/upstream Debian, and is available to buy right now? I'm sick of big companies who removed the word Consent from their dictionaries. I want something I can own and trust again. Being able to run android apps would be great, but given how closed source Android has become, I doubt that apps run on an open system would be reliable.

100% mainline - not really yet, but from those that are close to mainline and on which you can run Mobian (which is upstream Debian with a small repo overlay for stuff not ready to go into Debian proper yet) and that you can buy new right now are Librem 5, PinePhone and PinePhone Pro.

If second market also counts then there are a few more options available - mostly former Android phones where hardware support is spotty though, so do your research first. That said, everyone's needs are different and what's there can already fulfill the needs of plenty of people, so it's a matter of figuring out whether you in particular are in this group yet or not.

Re: Furilabs Linux Phone

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Post by psd1 »

barbequeer wrote: post #210

> Fast, performant and cheap. You wanted all 3? Now you got it! Fast, Good , and Cheap. Performant is just a synonym for fast. Is it any good ? Also call me a miser, but $499 is not "cheap". I recently bought a new Nokia G42 with the same camera and storage for <€150

Agree that it's not cheap for a mobile phone, but it is cheap for a low-volume custom phone.

To get under €150, you need volume and bundling.

Re: Furilabs Linux Phone

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Post by psd1 »

chrisoconnell wrote: post #6
Narishma wrote: post #2

> Fast, performant and cheap. What's the difference between fast and performant?

Something can be fast, but lack efficiency or the ability to utilize the speed. For example, a car can have 1,000hp, but utilizes a large turbo which takes a long time to spool up, leading to poor performance. It may also have poor handling characteristics. On the other hand, let's use a car like a Mazda Miata, which only has 181hp. It is not fast, but it is an incredibly performant car, with exceptional handling and…

Alternate explanation: the copy was bashed out late at night by an engineer in crunch mode.

Don't parse "covfefe", discard it.

Re: Furilabs Linux Phone

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Post by psd1 »

wmf wrote: post #46
HumblyTossed wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you actually do this with the numbers Furilabs probably expects to hit? Surely there's a minimum number to order before the companies you mentioned will even take you serious.

The Linux phones all fail anyway so if you don't have the volume just don't bother.

Are you suffering from burnout?

There's an undercurrent of despair in your comment. Don't do it to yourself, you only get one brain. Help us available. DM me if you want.

Re: Furilabs Linux Phone

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Post by CoolCold »

jorvi wrote: post #139
GranPC wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My biggest hold-up with that sort of work is that Facebook has previously threatened to ban users who use third-party clients, and then they have gone through with the threat. Is this no longer the case?

I can't speak for everyone, but I've been using WhatsApp since ~2010, mostly the official client but with bouts of unofficial client usage, and I've never been banned. Probably not very detectable for Meta since it uses a wrapped webview, but I've been using ZapZap on Linux for a good while now and I haven't seen a ban yet.

> Probably not very detectable for Meta since it uses a wrapped webview

Interesting, my naive understanding is that push notifications won't work and battery life should be greatly affected, how do things work for you?

Re: Furilabs Linux Phone

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Post by psd1 »

ranguna wrote: post #221

Does the usb c support displayport alt mode? How's the performance compared to a Linux vm running on a pixel 9 with kvm? Android 15 recently released, which brought support for graphical acceleration inside the vm, so that's one competitor for the Linux phone.

The reg article suggests not:

> ...then the next planned feature is wireless display support. At present, you can't dock the phone and use it as a PC with a keyboard and mouse, which is a shame. Apparently, the IO lines needed for a wired dock were used for the macro camera.

https://www.theregister.com/2024/06/26/furi_phone_flx1_debia...

Re: Furilabs Linux Phone

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Post by psd1 »

FactKnower69 wrote: post #223
numpad0 wrote: post #163

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You'll be asking the same thing by trying to pay through a totally custom phone. As I'm repeating here, the blocker is lack of trust from banks, not technical reasons. THEY have to trust YOU, and then banking apps will work. Otherwise any tricks to get past security check to manipulate your bank accounts will be just short-lived hacks. If the King of England walked into the Bank of England and wrote a hand-written bo…

>If the King of England walked into the Bank of England and wrote a hand-written bond for GBP1k with a bic pen on back of copier paper, they'll take it. what has gone wrong in your brain that you think that?

You're new to HN, right? We don't behave like this here.

I'm referring to the pugnacious tone, but the certainty in the absence of evidence is also a bit gauche.

So you know, chazza banks with coutts. I reckon he could draw much much more, over the phone or in person, and wouldn't be put on hold or asked security questions. If you also happen to be the head of state of several nations and have your face on the coin of the realm, and your experience is contrary, then please do rebut my assertion.

Re: Furilabs Linux Phone

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Post by LtWorf »

tuukkah wrote: post #208
whizzter wrote: post #184

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You could always protect the signing certificates in the apps with derived passwords, still the length of passkeys practically acceptable to type in on a phone is too short to safely protect a certificate vs a bruteforce attack without some kind of HW assisted storage. In the end it also boils down to what devices the BankID app providers are willing to support, I have a hard time seeing anything but iOS or Android d…

I've never heard of BankID in Finland - perhaps the common name is something else?

It's a swedish thing.
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