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Cloudflare misidentifies Hetzner IPs as being located in Iran

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mopsi wrote: post #205
47282847 wrote: post #200

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly. Even calling it one is. And even if it was true, that opinion would simply be an indicator of the success of government propaganda. (Lies and myths and skewed narratives, not to be confused with gaslighting.)

Russians in Europe - where they have excellent access to free media and are under no such pressure - hold similar views, toned down due to public stigma. They refuse to condemn the war, blame it on Ukrainians, etc. A significant number of people refuse to answer the questions at all; this is something that Levada stresses does not happen with their surveys in Russia. Take Russians in Latvia, for example: https://eng.…

Yes and now how do you get Russians in Russia to change their mind? By punishing and isolating them, or by inviting them over to talk to them? That was the original point regarding sanctions.

Re: Cloudflare misidentifies Hetzner IPs as being located in Iran

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47282847 wrote: post #241
mopsi wrote: post #205

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Russians in Europe - where they have excellent access to free media and are under no such pressure - hold similar views, toned down due to public stigma. They refuse to condemn the war, blame it on Ukrainians, etc. A significant number of people refuse to answer the questions at all; this is something that Levada stresses does not happen with their surveys in Russia. Take Russians in Latvia, for example: https://eng.…

Yes and now how do you get Russians in Russia to change their mind? By punishing and isolating them, or by inviting them over to talk to them? That was the original point regarding sanctions.

Vladimir Zolkin is an Ukrainian journalist who has recorded hundreds of hours of interviews with Russian POWs and published them on Youtube. He started in the first weeks of the war and is still going. By now he's probably interviewed over a thousand of them. These are long interviews, in depth, usually up to an hour or even more, including POWs' calls home and interviewing their relatives too if they agree. According to his own words, he has entirely given up trying to "change their mind". These are just completely brainwashed people, incapable of independent thought, apathetic like zombies, automatically repeating instilled thoughts as soon as certain keywords are hit. Change will only come when they are replaced by a new generation that is free of this programming. Until then, the best course of action for us is to build a tall wall between us and hope that they won't attempt to drive a tank through it.

What you are pointing at is nothing new. Naive attempts to "build bridges" with people who see bridges only as an easy way of driving a tank over to us is how we got here in the first place:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wandel_durch_Handel (German/EU policy towards Russia)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_reset (Obama-era attempts)

Misguided attempts to build relations with countries run by criminal gangs have made no positive impact on them, but have poisoned us by opening up our politics, businesses, and other areas of life to their criminal networks.

Re: Cloudflare misidentifies Hetzner IPs as being located in Iran

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Post by cr125rider »

grishka wrote: post #137
aguaviva wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you think the sanctions are having a significant effect in terms of slowing down the war effort?

Few of them do have an effect on the military, but hardly a significant one. Some of them forced the government officials to eat their own dog food. Most of them, however, feel like mocking petty revenge. If anything, those sanctions that disproportionately affect regular powerless people only reinforce the official propaganda's view that "we're encircled by enemies". Vladimir Kara-Murza expressed the same ideas much…

You guys need to fix your dictator quickly before someone else decides to. They’ll be much less surgical than you’d want. See Israel/Palestine. It’s on the Russian people to choose their path or continue complying with the regime that’s driving the country into the ground.

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Post by hollerith »

cr125rider wrote: post #243
grishka wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Few of them do have an effect on the military, but hardly a significant one. Some of them forced the government officials to eat their own dog food. Most of them, however, feel like mocking petty revenge. If anything, those sanctions that disproportionately affect regular powerless people only reinforce the official propaganda's view that "we're encircled by enemies". Vladimir Kara-Murza expressed the same ideas much…

You guys need to fix your dictator quickly before someone else decides to. They’ll be much less surgical than you’d want. See Israel/Palestine. It’s on the Russian people to choose their path or continue complying with the regime that’s driving the country into the ground.

No one outside Russia is stupid enough to try to "fix" Putin -- at least no government is.

Re: Cloudflare misidentifies Hetzner IPs as being located in Iran

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Post by cr125rider »

elwebmaster wrote: post #77

It should be illegal for providers to override the location information provided by the owner of the IP. Hopefully the FTC will look into this abuse. In the real world this would be the equivalent of me putting my shipping address on an order but the store deciding to ship it to some random place because they “believe” that’s my actual address.

No. Don’t trust client data. Caller ID is garbage because they do this.
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