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> This is an insanely big developing story. For people in tech
Telegram is used by hundreds of millions in Europe and Middle East
And East Asia, especially Hong Kong since 2019.
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#242the EU is becoming a parody >we've got to save democracy by restricting free speech and enforcing laws and regulations created by unelected officials
Ever since von der Leyen became president. Typical for her since she also tried the same shit in Germany.
Hah! Life would be great if the EU's problems started with von der Leyen
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#2433 of his kids are in Moscow. Under Putin’s control. Pavel Durov tries to play the “victim” to create a legitimate image for himself and Telegram.
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EU has been complaining about Telegram's end-to-end encryption for a long time and they want to implement some regulations to basically add backdoors into all messaging apps. I don't really see how this case will go on since at least private chats are encrypted so Telegram (theoretically at least) can't see the contents.
Except Telegram has much less E2EE than Signal or Whatsapp. It's not on by default, works only between 2 devices, they both have to be online at the same time and you can't access anything from the web. And group chats don't support it at all. Private chats are not end to end encrypted by default and it's actually quite clumsy to encrypt them so almost nobody uses it. It's really weird that Telegram is singled out li…
It's because it is in fact used for this, unlike say whatsapp that does not enjoy any trust.
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#245Earlier quoted context omitted.
Obviously FSB is not going to make a press release and be like "We have the keys LOL" so there would never be definitive proof. Fun fact: Telegram at some point was blocked in Russia for not giving FSB access to data. Later telegram was unblocked and is used extensively in Russia. It's not hard to figure out why it was unblocked.
Telegram wasn't fully blocked in Russia even for a single day. They tried to block it and failed miserably. The team actively circumvented the blocking by deploying to new IPs faster than they were blocked, and in addition to that every IT guy in Russia had a tgproxy instance running for family and friends. After a while they just stopped trying and decided that it's less reputational damage to just let it be.
>After a while they just stopped trying and decided that it's less reputational damage to just let it be.
That's not true. It's legally unblocked. the reason why it was unblocked was never published. "It was unblocked because they gave up" is just your interpretation of the events. Pretty naive one, in my opinion.
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#246According to this source he’s accused in non-cooperating. He’s not accused of terrorism, drug, or slaving directly. Very interesting to see where it will all go. I don’t understand how they’re going to convince French judges that he’s guilty for not being able to decrypt chats that he has no keys for…
> not being able to decrypt chats that he has no keys for…
Except he (or his corporation) has keys for almost all initiated chats on the Telegram network. Only the private chats are E2EE and they're not default and rather inconvenient because they don't sync between devices (unlike Signal's E2EE chats).
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That’s my question, if messages are end to end encrypted then the company does not have access to censor, right?
Messages in groups are not E2E encrypted, especially in public groups where anyone can read them even without joining. However, anyone can report the message to moderators. The public groups are often limited (temporarily removed from search, temporarily or permanently banned) if they do too much violations.
> However, anyone can report the message to moderators.
Good luck with that. And that's a seriously big issue. Moderators (and "moderators" in Telegram mean an alleged team of people they hire to moderate all content in Telegram - if you report content, the group administrators won't even be notified about that so they can act by themselves first) in most cases won't do absolutely anything.
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#248Earlier quoted context omitted.
EU has been complaining about Telegram's end-to-end encryption for a long time and they want to implement some regulations to basically add backdoors into all messaging apps. I don't really see how this case will go on since at least private chats are encrypted so Telegram (theoretically at least) can't see the contents.
Are they going to arrest Zuckerberg and Tim Cook next for the encryption in WhatsApp and iMessage?
No, because then they'd have to acknowledge that WhatsApp and iMessage are both compromised.
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#249From Telegram sources: >Pavel Durov faces up to 20 years in prison in France. The trial will take place very soon – sources close to the investigation. In addition to drug trafficking, he is accused of collaborating with an organized crime group, covering up for pedophiles, fraud and money laundering. I don't know how reliable this is, but I've seen in 3-4 sources that he's arrested for terrorism, child abuse, drug t…
The extent of the accusations is evidence that all that is made up in order to get access into Telegram. Telegram is too important to the other side in the Ukraine war. If Telegram goes, then the other side is silenced.
by "other side" you mean "invaders of their sovereign neighbour"
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#250From my experience those charges are valid and well deserved. As a Telegram user since 2015, I've spent 2 years actively reporting groups and individuals in posession of explicit materials involving children and animals. Some of my friends have also joined me in this effort. Unfortunately, Telegram never banned any of those groups and individuals which is a textbook case of not only being an accessory to crime, but also being complicit in letting the crime go on.