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Re: Okay, I Like WezTerm

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Post by godelski »

Aeolun wrote: post #217
Arnavion wrote: post #213

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>and he's a great programmer The people who had to deal with the Calibre setuid binaries fiasco in 2011 would probably disagree :) ( https://lwn.net/Articles/465311/ )

I think that's far enough ago that we can't really draw any conclusions from that to today. It's like someone deciding my current skill based on how good I was when I left university.

While I mostly agree, it looks like the fair amount of the article is about his attitude.

   Something that was a bit surprising was the combative tone that Calibre's lead developer Kovid Goyal took in the comments on the bug. Rather than working with Donenfeld to see what the problems were, he dismissed most of the bugs as invalid. Even after Donenfeld tried to further point out the problems, Goyal was rather sarcastic in response:
    You mean that a program designed to let an unprivileged user mount/unmount/eject anything he wants has a security flaw because it allows him to mount/unmount/eject anything he wants? I'm shocked.
This does not appear to have changed if you look at his responses to issues. I linked the tmux stuff in a different comment (same root).

Both skills and personality can chance a lot over a decade and I'm glad you're not quick to jump the gun. We need more people like that. But given brash comments over the past few years, it does not seem like this part has changed. He's been working on kitty for 8 years and has only accepted minor PRs and is dismissive of user issues.

Re: Okay, I Like WezTerm

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Post by benfrain »

lambdaba wrote: post #174
Ringz wrote: post #170

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yep. Tried Wez and switched back to Kitty because it’s much faster.

on which platform?

macOS for me. Zipping up and down a buffer is noticeably faster (drawing/render wise) in the latest Kitty compared to WezTerm. Using 2019 Intel MBP

Re: Okay, I Like WezTerm

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Post by hrez »

eredengrin wrote: post #238
hrez wrote: post #205

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I didn't have as positive experience. Granted I commented on a closed issue. In any case it was closed as "won't do" and my comment was ignored. I didn't feel like opening a new issue for the same that was already dismissed. https://github.com/wez/wezterm/issues/4706

The way you phrase that makes it sound like you had a negative experience, was that your intention? For all we know he didn't even see it, there's thousands of issues and PRs and it's not like this is his full time job, so missing a message sounds like a pretty expected and neutral interaction to me. There's a reason they used the word "shockingly" to describe his response time, it's because it's amazing that Wez can…

The showstopping bug (or misfeature?) reported by others was brushed off, and my comment was ignored. It didn't seem like the path forward would be a pleasant one, so I've uninstalled Wez and gone back to a terminal that works for me. So yes, you could say it was a negative experience. I gave Wez a try as my daily driver, but it just didn’t pan out despite my efforts.

Re: Okay, I Like WezTerm

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Post by terraplura »

nebben64 wrote: post #150
terraplura wrote: post #108

Been a long time user of Alacritty but recently switched to WezTerm. Set up was super quick and having graduated control over opacity and blur was brilliant. Also love that it supports Font Ligatures. Btw one gotcha on macOS during setup is that the left Option/Alt key does not emit the usual special character mappings, but the right Option key does. You can configure that too! Cheers Wez!

Thanks for sharing! Just curious, what made you switch from Alacrity? (I was also debating it vs. WezTerm)

Apart from the granular blur control. It was mainly the ligatures support, Alacritty’s developer doesn’t seem too keen on it. And it seems to be the only terminal that renders the ANSI blinking escape code properly (although I don’t think it distinguishes rapid and slow blink). I think it’s a cool feature!

Unlike OP, I hardly use WezTerms features. I have hidden the tabs away and just use the old vim+tmux combo. So my config is just 25 lines. There was no weird colour interaction issue that alacrity+vim+tmux had (and there is a famous gist for). All which is to say I didn’t have to dive deep to migrate.

Re: Okay, I Like WezTerm

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Post by wyclif »

throwanem wrote: post #107
leblancfg wrote: post #10

Recently switched to WezTerm and I'm very happy. Was using kitty before that – loved the set up and simplicity coming from iTerm2. WezTerm is leaps and bounds better in terms of what comes out-of-the-box. My terminal config is short enough to sit all in one screen on my editor. After that, the terminal just... gets out of the way and I don't need to think about it. But the straw that broke my back with using kitty wa…

Does WezTerm support an equivalent of iTerm's "hotkey window"? For those unfamiliar, that's a window tied to a show/hide keybinding which when shown floats above all other windows, making a terminal instantly available everywhere - a feature I could live without, but don't care to. I'd love to switch for all of WezTerm's other features, but without that it's simply a nonstarter for me.

Is the setting you're talking about the one under Settings>General>Startup>Window Restoration Policy>Only Restore Hotkey Window, or something else?

Re: Okay, I Like WezTerm

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Post by kokada »

Macha wrote: post #185
kokada wrote: post #79

I also recently switched to WezTerm because it is the only terminal that seems to work cross-platform that is also well supported in Nix/nixpkgs. Before I was using Kitty in NixOS and iTerm2 in macOS, but having one configuration for both OS is good. P.S.: I am temporary back to Kitty in NixOS because I recently switched from Sway to Hyprland and the current release of WezTerm seems to be having some issues in Hyprla…

Kitty works on macOS too?

Yes, but when I did the migration Kitty wasn't supported in macOS in nixpkgs (i.e.: nobody did the package integration). Now looking at the package it looks like it should work, but I now think WezTerm being superior in at least a few things (e.g.: the Lua configuration file is definitely nice).

Re: Okay, I Like WezTerm

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Post by CoolCold »

roydivision wrote: post #72

I recently changed from Alacritty to WezTerm due to bugs in the former and I don't have any complaints so far. It is part of my daily professional workflow, works well with Tmux, under WSL. Great piece of software.

for myself, I couldn't find good reasons to keep using WezTerm vs Windows Terminal - not saying WezTerm is not capable terminal, of course.

Re: Okay, I Like WezTerm

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Post by _xiaz »

leblancfg wrote: post #10

Recently switched to WezTerm and I'm very happy. Was using kitty before that – loved the set up and simplicity coming from iTerm2. WezTerm is leaps and bounds better in terms of what comes out-of-the-box. My terminal config is short enough to sit all in one screen on my editor. After that, the terminal just... gets out of the way and I don't need to think about it. But the straw that broke my back with using kitty wa…

kitty has the rudest maintainer I know in all of open source software

Re: Okay, I Like WezTerm

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Post by _xiaz »

godelski wrote: post #240
bramhaag wrote: post #183

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> e.g. IIRC his answer to "How do I set up tmux with kitty?" was something like "Don't, tmux is dumb" and closing it. Eventually I gave up. Heh, I switched from Kitty to Wezterm due to the exact same types of comments from the maintainer. It's his project of course, and he's a great programmer, but some humility wouldn't hurt.

> the exact same types of comments from the maintainer. Kovid really bugs me and is a reason I turned away from kitty too. I saw his character when looking up tmux issues. He's brash like Linus, but at least while Linus is calling you an idiot he'll tell you a better way to solve your problem. Kovid seems to think tmux is really about splitting panes and peoples' main draw to it isn't about persistence... Oh, and kit…

This one is the straw that broke the camels back for me: https://github.com/kovidgoyal/kitty/issues/4965

"Are you sure you want to close this window", meant to only trigger in interactive scenarios like ssh or htop, triggered on the regular shell sometimes. Not even consistently

Re: Okay, I Like WezTerm

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Post by _xiaz »

Arnavion wrote: post #213
bramhaag wrote: post #183

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> e.g. IIRC his answer to "How do I set up tmux with kitty?" was something like "Don't, tmux is dumb" and closing it. Eventually I gave up. Heh, I switched from Kitty to Wezterm due to the exact same types of comments from the maintainer. It's his project of course, and he's a great programmer, but some humility wouldn't hurt.

>and he's a great programmer The people who had to deal with the Calibre setuid binaries fiasco in 2011 would probably disagree :) ( https://lwn.net/Articles/465311/ )

As would anyone that has ever had the displeasure of interacting with him
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