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The Right Kind of Stubborn

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Re: The Right Kind of Stubborn

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I like this article a lot. I think a lot of the distinction between persistence and obstinance comes down to identity, attachment, and self esteem. Almost everyone who is persistent or obstinant has something to prove. They have some deep-seated feeling that they need to demonstrate something to their community, a sense that maybe their value is in some ways conditional on what they provide. Content people who feel a…

I bet you like the article because you identify with it :)

Re: The Right Kind of Stubborn

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There are certain areas where the popular opinion is irrelevant. Warren Buffet said this in a more folksy way, “It’s very important to live your life by an internal yardstick,” he told us, noting that one way to gauge whether or not you do so is to ask the following question: “Would you rather be considered the best lover in the world and know privately that you’re the worst — or would you prefer to know privately th…

> “Would you rather be considered the best lover in the world and know privately that you’re the worst — or would you prefer to know privately that you’re the best lover in the world, but be considered the worst?” Both of those options sound terrible. It's a curse either way. I'd rather be known as publicly as "better than average" and privately know that I'm doing pretty well/my best. If forced to pick between the t…

The options aren't meant to be realistic. They're only meant to tease out which side you personally have a preference for, by making you think about how these two extreme options make you feel. One probably feels worse than the other.

Re: The Right Kind of Stubborn

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> Marketing people write a lot more https://breckyunits.com/dataset-needed.html

lol - so your opinions are valid, everyone else must bring data. Here the dumb thing about this - almost anything worth discussing is uncertain, else it wouldn't be discussed. If the only way you can change your mind is for someone to present an absolute, water tight, backed up by data argument, you'll never change your mind. You make several assertions in this thread with zero data.

> lol - so your opinions are valid, everyone else must bring data.

I never said that. Your new response asking for data to my comment is perfectly valid.

But this topic is not interesting to me enough at the moment to go dig up a dataset on it. Maybe someday.

Re: The Right Kind of Stubborn

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Two things: I am not sure if marketing is the bottleneck or the product itself - I have been getting inconsistent feedback on that. On the marketing side, I’ve been trying to make the website better and i have been playing with Google and instagram ads. I don’t even dislike marketing - but I don’t think I’m very good at it. I could try to pay for this competency, but I’m scared of losing bunch of money.

Well, I'm no expert, but I can say what I think. First, your product looks awesome. But I do think the landing page is a _little_ less good than it probably could be, but I'm not sure I can say exactly why. I bet there is some company out there that could take this thing from an obscure product to a Christmas staple, if they got their hands on it. Maybe there is a way that you could do it in a profit-sharing way so y…

hey, thank you for the comments. I think these are all good points.

I will try to get some help with marketing, maybe also find a distributor etc.

As you pointed out, I am especially struggling around the question of how to market the different features, and how much to market the customisation options.

And I will try to choose a more neutral article for the website photo. I didn't think about the impression it could leave.

Re: The Right Kind of Stubborn

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Someone clearly failed the marshmallow test as a kid (/s) Yes, exactly. You put it better than I did. Shit's messy, non-linear, non-monotonic. No need to put a bow on it.

The marshmellow test was debunked. Turns out like many if these bad experiments when you factor socioeconomic status the test cannot be reproduced. Turns out poor hungry kids just tend to eat free food when its available.

HN downvoting scientific studies... I'm worried that this site has reached its eternal September. A huge loss since reddit went public and killed all real discussion, this was one of the last places with intelligent discourse.

https://anderson-review.ucla.edu/new-study-disavows-marshmal...

Re: The Right Kind of Stubborn

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I can't be the only person who doesn't want to be a successful person. Most problems worth solving won't be solved in a way that benefits individuals in the manner described. Optimizing for self-gain just leads to more investors and fewer problems getting solved.

I do really think that PG often glosses over what he really means when he says "success." From a critical view, you could interpret the word to mean solely financial/economic success. Given his occupation, I would imagine that's his intention with the term. But if you replace that term with something like "virtue" or "eudaimonia" and read from that perspective, there can sometimes be some truths to glean from his wri…

> But if you replace that term with something like "virtue" or "eudaimonia"

These are generally ego-centric qualities that don't clearly benefit the people around us outside of our not being a liability to others under most moral frameworks. Greek philosophy is quite a poor fit for modern relations between individual and society.

Re: The Right Kind of Stubborn

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"The reason the persistent and the obstinate seem similar is that they're both hard to stop. But they're hard to stop in different senses. The persistent are like boats whose engines can't be throttled back. The obstinate are like boats whose rudders can't be turned."

"The persistent are attached to the goal. The obstinate are attached to their ideas about how to reach it."

Pretty much sums up the entire argument!

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