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US Supreme Court allows cities to ban homeless camps

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Dumb decision, but we really just gotta build more homes mainly. A good overview of why this is the best solution to homelessness: https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/everything-you-think-you-know-...

The best solution to homelessness is to crash the housing market so thoroughly that the idea of residential homes as investments becomes anathema for 2 or 3 generations. Then you enact Georgist land policy and loosen zoning and Bob's your uncle.

2008 didn't manage to rid people of that idea.

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I became homeless in SF 6 years ago, probably would have been out after like a year if not for pandemic. Same program over and over, feels like I'm about to get off the street again 3 hours outside SF. Housing here is so reasonable. $1,000 for a 2 bedroom right in town. Plenty of employment. Not saying where I am until I'm off the street. But I've been working on survival guides and my 'Homeless Guy' vlog videos are…

It's amazing how people who don't know homelessness talk about it. I never see my own experiences reflected in these hot takes. Something about the topic breaks people's brains. I suspect people are simply terrified of homelessness and will do anything to distance themselves from the reality that there but for the grace of God they go.

There is a huge bias against homeless populations throughout the states. They’ve been depicted and demonized unilaterally as drug users and law breakers/undesirables but that couldn’t be farther from the truth for many many people. Homelessness is the direct result of a societal failure to secure our populations basic needs and that means we are all to blame to a certain extent. They are people from our communities that we’ve sidelined and largely ignored but nobody likes to think they’re the bad guy.

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You know what all of those shows have in common? The protagonist has thousands or tens of thousands to spend on setting up the basic infrastructure needed.

tens of thousands of what? On Naked and Afraid, they are literally naked with only one tool.

And they only have to survive three weeks. How is that relevant?

Edit: and looking over some episode summaries, it's not like they reliably came out in great health, despite going in in more or less peak condition. Unless your point was that even short periods of homelessness has severe health risks and consequences?

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Yes. Why do many people quote it as if something profound here (there are at least half a dozen of instances of this quote by different authors and some just repeat it in multiple threads)? This is the essential rule of law: nobody is above it. It appears that people posting this quote believe that the law should be different for different people? I mean, the original author was a monarchist and did not believe a dem…

Because a hypothetical opposite - “The law, in its majestic equality, forbids rich and poor alike to use money to improve their dwelling, to purchase unnecessary luxury goods, and to pay for basic goods a rate commensurate with their means” - does not exist. The laws that "nobody is above" punish poverty, but not wealth. That's the distinction.

Except all you need to do is look at the tax code and see that is untrue.

Re: US Supreme Court allows cities to ban homeless camps

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I don't really understand how it could be any other way. If you envision a hypothetical city which has too many unhoused persons relative to the city's financial ability to support those people - then what? The unhoused just die in the street unable to be moved somewhere that has sufficient resources to support them? I get that there's a lot more nuance to this problem and that the ruling can be abused/used to enforc…

> a hypothetical city which has too many unhoused persons relative to the city's financial ability to support those people

The cities do have the resources to support them - they would just rather prioritize everything else

Re: US Supreme Court allows cities to ban homeless camps

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In the last 30 years, we have lost ~1,000,000 SRO apartments: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single-room_occupancy In that time homelessness has grown to 600,000. It's a pretty obvious correlation.

Do these typically utilize community bathrooms?

Yes, usually small rooms are for rent. Enough space for a bed or possessions- no kitchen or bathroom

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Nobody does. Bear Grylls wouldn't be popular if the overwhelming majority of the planet didn't choose lounging on the couch watching TV over survivalist practice. > but getting a cabin out in the woods and trying to live off the land is totally a thing people do. And not a realistic option for the homeless unless you can afford land to live on. What kind of bizzaro country do you live in where this is remotely realis…

Allemansrätten is a Swedish word that means right to roam. What it means, is that as long as you respect nature, you're allowed to enjoy nature by walking, cycling, riding, skiing, camping, etc. I'm not Swedish but I spent some time there. you can just go camping anywhere, just don't leave trash or mess it up. But the US has untold acres of unpatrolled national parks and private land that nobody is watching. Sure, le…

If you live on a national park in the United States, whether you are kind to your surroundings or not, you will be arrested once discovered and escorted off the property. Trust me when I say there is no sliding window of self-sufficiency that makes this a legal (let alone feasible) option for America's homeless.

It's genuinely insulting to log onto this website and listen to people repeat travel magazine advice as their solution to homelessness.

Re: US Supreme Court allows cities to ban homeless camps

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I became homeless in SF 6 years ago, probably would have been out after like a year if not for pandemic. Same program over and over, feels like I'm about to get off the street again 3 hours outside SF. Housing here is so reasonable. $1,000 for a 2 bedroom right in town. Plenty of employment. Not saying where I am until I'm off the street. But I've been working on survival guides and my 'Homeless Guy' vlog videos are…

It's amazing how people who don't know homelessness talk about it. I never see my own experiences reflected in these hot takes. Something about the topic breaks people's brains. I suspect people are simply terrified of homelessness and will do anything to distance themselves from the reality that there but for the grace of God they go.

it's the 80/20 rule man. the minority of homeless that are drug addicts or violently mentally ill leave such a sour taste in the average person's mouth that a going nuclear on the homeless policy seems like a great idea. The majority of homeless that are only a very minor inconvenience or are no problem at all are completely overshadowed by the minority screaming on the street, taking dumps in alleys (or in the middle of the street!), and causing other major problems pretty much continuously.

You can't really blame people for their hot takes either, when you're on month 32+ of powerwashing your alley and front sidewalk every day to try and get a few hours of the place not smelling like poorly maintained urinals/horse stables your overton window starts to shift to making more extreme solutions acceptable just because you are so supremely fed up with how things are and your sympathy was all used up years ago.

Re: US Supreme Court allows cities to ban homeless camps

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I don't really understand how it could be any other way. If you envision a hypothetical city which has too many unhoused persons relative to the city's financial ability to support those people - then what? The unhoused just die in the street unable to be moved somewhere that has sufficient resources to support them? I get that there's a lot more nuance to this problem and that the ruling can be abused/used to enforc…

> a hypothetical city which has too many unhoused persons relative to the city's financial ability to support those people The cities do have the resources to support them - they would just rather prioritize everything else

This is like saying that a company, which is going bankrupt and may close, has the resources to keep all their employees employed and are laying people off because they would rather prioritize something else. It can feel true because there's a lot of complexity to the system, but complex systems can still fail given enough structural instability. At some point tough decisions must be made which feel bad to those impacted and weigh heavily on those enforcing the cuts.

Re: US Supreme Court allows cities to ban homeless camps

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Only 26% of homeless people abuse drugs, find a new stereotype.

26% is a massive number and more than sufficient for the stereotype to fit. If 26% of x demographic had murdered somebody, a stereotype that x are murderers would be well deserved.

Comparatively, the background population uses drugs at approximately 13%: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/drug-use-illicit.htm (ignoring alcohol, which is huge: ~53%). Most drug users aren't homeless.
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