Here's Apple's big problem: it's not a replacement for so many alternatives because it isn't supported on all platforms. Safari? Not on Windows. Apple Music? This actually has a Windows client. I'm not sure how good it is. But Spotify supports Windows and even Linux. Apple Password Manager? Will this be tied to iCloud? Will I be able to use it on Android? If I no longer have an iPhone will it be a pain to maintain an…
Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024
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1Password has gotten way, way better than it was a few years ago in my opinion. Tons of new features and the redesign a couple years ago was a big improvement.
The electron rewrite was a significant step backwards regardless of features and quality. I cannot wait to ditch 1P.
I miss 1Password Mini in particular still (and no, Quick Access is not a replacement).
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you really enjoy paying each month for access to your passwords? really?
I used it with my family and it's worth paying monthly for it. Passwords are so incredibly important. If I was hit by a car tomorrow, I know a huge chunk of my life is there for people to just pick up.
My wife and I have talked a bit about this recently but haven't implemented anything yet. (I use 1Password, and she doesn't have access other than a shared vault, and vice-versa with iCloud passwords.)
One thing that gives me a bit of hesitation is from a security standpoint - if we have access to each other's accounts and one of us falls victim to, for instance, a password-manager-level phishing scheme, the fallout from both of us having to recover from that at the same time is dramatically more of an inconvenience than if only one of us is affected.
Happy to hear from anyone else who's thought about this and any approaches they may have been taken - there doesn't seem to be much discussion about it online.
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#245Here's Apple's big problem: it's not a replacement for so many alternatives because it isn't supported on all platforms. Safari? Not on Windows. Apple Music? This actually has a Windows client. I'm not sure how good it is. But Spotify supports Windows and even Linux. Apple Password Manager? Will this be tied to iCloud? Will I be able to use it on Android? If I no longer have an iPhone will it be a pain to maintain an…
>> People don't want everything tied to one identity, one service, one login. I think this is exactly what _most_ people want. With password management specifically, Apple has had a Chrome extension available for a while now which has allowed me to use it on other browsers/platforms. Not ideal, but good enough for most. On top of that, they don't lock you in with passwords. You can easily import and export your passw…
Now that many sites are moving to passkeys or TOTPs, it would be great if Apple could not lock users in there as well.
> Apple has had a Chrome extension available for a while now which has allowed me to use it on other browsers/platforms
That's only on Windows and requires you to install iCloud tools locally, right?
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> Here's Apple's big problem: it's not a replacement for so many alternatives because it isn't supported on all platforms. I don’t see why that would be a big problem for Apple . As this article explains, this isn’t new functionality. It’s (mostly) a new UI for existing functionality, to make the hardware they sell and make lots of money on more attractive.
Seems to be the case that commenters do not know that Keychain Access exists. Apple has tried various approaches of surfacing this functionality (eg the passwords panel in Safari and again in iOS’s settings app). This just seems to be the app-agnostic way of providing this functionality to everyday users, and probably a good thing as platforms move away from passwords.
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#247Here's Apple's big problem: it's not a replacement for so many alternatives because it isn't supported on all platforms. Safari? Not on Windows. Apple Music? This actually has a Windows client. I'm not sure how good it is. But Spotify supports Windows and even Linux. Apple Password Manager? Will this be tied to iCloud? Will I be able to use it on Android? If I no longer have an iPhone will it be a pain to maintain an…
Apple already has an iCloud app for Windows and has had an iCloud Password Chrome extension for years. There is no support for Android.
Which is also only available for Windows, as far as I know.
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> Paying a monthly fee for access to my passwords is highway robber It would be. Fortunately, 1Password doesn’t do that [1]. You’re paying for an important piece of software to be maintained. > I'm sure 1Password doesn't care one iota about loosing individual users with attitudes like this Probably not. Emphasis on attitude. [1] https://support.1password.com/frozen-account/
This entire assumption that I'm a freeloader is absolute bullshit. I've bought and paid for my copies of 1Password and have even purchased it for others. You can take that freeloader name calling and shove it right back in the place you found it. I'm quite frankly tired of it. We can have upgrades and working software that gets updates without monthly fees to do it. I also do not need their cloud and only features. T…
No, the last twenty years has show us that we can't.
If you want developers to perform ongoing work on their products, you need to accept a model where there's ongoing pay for that work.
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#249I've been an avid 1Password user for over 10 years, but since they gone full-throttle targeting the enterprise market, I'm getting more and more annoyed. It's increasingly buggy (right now, it thinks I haven't migrated from 1p7 which causes annoying interstitials that I can't close. Over a month and no fix yet.). They killed standalone vaults. Obvious feature requests (e.g archive an entire vault) sit there for years…
I've used Bitwarden for a while now and it has been so better than LastPass or 1Password ever was for me. I never understood the 1Password hype, it was easily the worst experience of any password manager I tried.
Besides just working as expected, it importantly supports self-hosting. I don't currently make use of that, but have given it a try and it's great as well.
Having alternatives to the SaaS (currently very reasonably priced) is invaluable.
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You’re both talking about iOS, right? Because on the Mac it’s always been a dedicated app.
Yeah. But even for Mac it's always been more of a technical utility app. When I say that it feels more akin to Disk Utility than the Notes app (in terms of who it's meant for).