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85% of People Want Global Ban on Single-Use Plastics

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Re: 85% of People Want Global Ban on Single-Use Plastics

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I'll admit I was a little skeptical of plastic bag bans here in Canada, but it's had a noticeable effect on how much random garbage ends up stuck in hedges and fences where I live. Adapting to it wasn't too bad and good reusable bags are a lot more ergonomic and don't tear as easily when carrying heavy loads.

Our neighborhood has a stretch where people park and dump litter profusely. I go out once a month and clean it up. (Soooo many vape pods) I think the biggest change is mostly in perception. Old plastic bags were lighter and blew around so they were very visible. The newer heavier "reusable" plastic bags use a significant amount more of plastic - they are heavy enough to stay near where they get dropped and sink to th…

This sounds like the UK.

In the UK everything is slightly dirty, but then there are these significant piles of garbage that just go unattended and grow in size. I think it shocked me when I first moved there. Years of rubbish in some areas, months in others, and it would be right in front of peoples houses and parks.

The UK really got left behind in terms of quality of life at some point. GDP doesn't buy nice living. I'm sure it's similar in other parts of (wealthy) Europe.

Re: 85% of People Want Global Ban on Single-Use Plastics

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Are trash bags nessesary or unnecessary?

In what context? It's certainly possible to live without them given the existence of large bins, small bins, compost bins, etc.

At a huge cost to public sanitation - rats, etc.

That’s my point. These simple things are NEVER as simple as these trite push polls imply.

Re: 85% of People Want Global Ban on Single-Use Plastics

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I was skeptical of whether it was representative of 85% of the global population, or just the first-world. I've often thought (and heard that) environmental concerns are secondary to economic, and that people in less prosperous countries don't care as much about environmental concerns as people in first-world countries who are secure in most areas of their lives. Surprisingly, this data says the opposite! Sample size…

Honestly, to me, the 85% statistic is meaningless because the survey is simply asking if you believe "plastic = bad" - a pretty common sentiment, especially in a third world country like India where plastic pollution is visible everywhere. I'd be more interested to see a survey that asks "would you be willing to pay 5% more at the grocery store for plastic-free packaging?" In less prosperous countries, the majority o…

Realistically 20-30% more if you pack for example a yogurt into glass instead of plastic. Glass would be like half of net weight.

Re: 85% of People Want Global Ban on Single-Use Plastics

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Also, most foils are coated on at least one side with a petroleum-based wax anyway.

perhaps that is true in some sense of 'most foils', but i have never in my life seen a roll of aluminum foil sold in a grocery store with petroleum-based wax on it, and i've bought grocery store aluminum foil on something like four continents maybe you're thinking of some other use of aluminum foil which vastly outweighs common household use, and uses a different kind of foil that does come with wax on it?

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Re: 85% of People Want Global Ban on Single-Use Plastics

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In what context? It's certainly possible to live without them given the existence of large bins, small bins, compost bins, etc.

At a huge cost to public sanitation - rats, etc. That’s my point. These simple things are NEVER as simple as these trite push polls imply.

> At a huge cost to public sanitation - rats, etc.

Not in my six decades of experience.

The majority of people about where I live don't use plastic trash bags and are well accustomed to keeping mice, rats, cockroaches, etc. at bay.

I must say, I'm surprised the rats of which you speak are apparently unable to chew through a plastic bag ... why are they so disabled wrt other rats about the globe?

Re: 85% of People Want Global Ban on Single-Use Plastics

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In my area, one of our grocery chains has "Compostable Bags" which they package the "Pickup / Delivery" orders in. My area also mandates municipal composting so the discussion of "But is it _really_ compostable" is moot.

It does not matter much how they do in a landfill. What matters is what happens when left out in the environment, aiui they weather and breakdown pretty fast.

Yes I can attest to how quickly they start breaking down even just sitting in the container for about a week. Almost need a scheduled reminder to replace it no matter how full it is.

Re: 85% of People Want Global Ban on Single-Use Plastics

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Those thin supermarket plastic bags were fantastic for disposing of cat waste and litter. You put the waste in the bag, tied it off, and threw it in the outside trash bin. Now, we buy quart food storage bags for disposing of cat waste.

What? No! They were TERRIBLE for cat litter because they frequently had holes in the bottom from the manufacturing process, and would dribble used litter all over your floor. We use the allegedly-biodegradable (but probably not) dog poop bags, at a grand cost of around 2 cents per each.

Double bagging solved the leaking problem. Thanks for sharing the dog poop bag solution. I'll give it a try.

Re: 85% of People Want Global Ban on Single-Use Plastics

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A ban like that sounds good. But what would replace those plastics? For the take-out food containers a common alternative is PFAS-treated paper. Is it much better for the health environment?

Mumbai has this solved, with the Dabbawala and Tiffin system. Tiffins are standardized reusable metal containers used for food delivery in Mumbai. The food can be restaurant takeout, or it can be a home-cooked meal someone sends you. Dabbawalas are the vendors who deliver the food, and collect the used tiffins/dabbas. https://feedr.co/en-gb/c/blog/the-amazing-dabbawalas-of-mumb... https://www.atlasobscura.com/article…

It’s like shipping containerization but for actual food.

I love it.

Re: 85% of People Want Global Ban on Single-Use Plastics

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I'll admit I was a little skeptical of plastic bag bans here in Canada, but it's had a noticeable effect on how much random garbage ends up stuck in hedges and fences where I live. Adapting to it wasn't too bad and good reusable bags are a lot more ergonomic and don't tear as easily when carrying heavy loads.

On a recent trip to Canada, I really noticed the fact every stream and river didn't have any noticeable plastic trash clinging to all the roots and twigs and what not. It was pretty nice, and I quickly got used to not having disposable bags. And now I've got a Super C and Jean Coutu bag in my car.

Re: 85% of People Want Global Ban on Single-Use Plastics

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It uses more energy, but doesn’t create plastics which last thousands of years. Energy usage of shopping bags isn’t that big of a deal. The trash created after use is.

the trash created after use of shopping bags is not a big deal either; a typical non-reusable shopping bag weighs 200 milligrams, so if you use three per day for 72 years, you produce a grand total of 16 kilograms of shopping bags. that's less than even your own bones, which will also last thousands of years the issue with paper mills is not their energy consumption, which generally is fueled by the same biomass they…

When I go fishing at the creek it is not a ton of paper bags littering it. Single-use plastic bags are terrible and people overly use them. Go get a pack of gum from a bodega and you'll be offered a plastic bag by default.

Maybe we shouldn't necessarily ban them, but we should definitely tax them to make people question "do I really need that bag?"

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