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Ex-OpenAI board member reveals what led to Sam Altman's brief ousting

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This account is quite believable. It follows a pattern of unethical behavior from Altman. In his latest unethical binge, he illegally used Scarlett Johansson's voice and likeliness for the latest ChatGPT version with speech output. [1] His timed-announcement tweet, "Her", is quite self-incriminating. [2] Remember: inductive logic is a valuable tool for discovering truth. [1] https://www.theverge.com/2024/5/20/2416125…

I think what happened is OpenAI was probably going to easily defend themselves from this suit until Altman tweeted about it. It seems like the company didn't really do anything wrong (in this case) but that tweet is actually going to give ScarJo the legal standing she needs to move forward and even win. It feels like leadership class in the valley is totally clueless sometimes.

> totally clueless

Another way to view these things is that it's about managing the author's personal brand-identity, as opposed to acting as a fiduciary representative of the overall corporation. (Those CEOs tend to avoid the limelight.)

There are certain folks out there who build their celebrity with a narrative of "I'm strong and smart and successful, you can tell because I can do what I want and piss people off but my detractors are impotent and can't touch me." [0]

If you think Altman falls into that category, then "her" can be seen as a coded message: For fans, it's sly advertisement that the result is a deliberate achievement, while also maintaining a veneer of deniability for anyone who objects. ("I only meant the outcome was coincidentally similar, and you can't prove otherwise, hahaha.")

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[0] That doesn't mean the narrative is true or that they always escape consequences, but it means they can at least convince enough fans/supporters that repercussions didn't really happen, that they weren't significant, or that they were actually good because 4-D chess.

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Paul Graham has said that one of the things he likes best about Sam Altman is that he figures out ways to "hack" things, and specified that he didn't mean programming, but rather systems, institutions, people, etc. As for me, I'd prefer to see Paul Graham running Open AI.

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I continue to wonder how the people still working in OpenAI feel about all this. Are they just staying there for the money? Does Sam offer them (through manipulation or otherwise) a lot more support in whatever they do compared to anyone else they have worked with?

In some ways, Sam Altman seems like a version of Mark Zuckerberg…in that he will not hesitate to do terrible and despicable things to expand his money, power and empire. The scope of AI to affect people around the globe seems to far exceed what social media by itself could even dream of.

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This account is quite believable. It follows a pattern of unethical behavior from Altman. In his latest unethical binge, he illegally used Scarlett Johansson's voice and likeliness for the latest ChatGPT version with speech output. [1] His timed-announcement tweet, "Her", is quite self-incriminating. [2] Remember: inductive logic is a valuable tool for discovering truth. [1] https://www.theverge.com/2024/5/20/2416125…

not eager to defend Sam as I think he is shady (maybe necessary for a successful CEO? don't know) but the Scarlett Johansson story was just speculation because she knew that she was asked to act, then the news spun it in a way favorable to clicks. I don't think the voice resembles her at all, and it turns out that they auditioned multiple voice actors and used a real voice actor for the voice. IIRC OpenAI also says t…

How does Sam's tweet of 'her' fit into this narrative? Or them reaching out to her two days before release? (methinks the lawyers had some concerns during final stages of release). We can debate how they achieved the final voice and the legality of it, but it seems so clear from where I'm sitting that "it was never intended to resemble [ScarJo's voice]" is a blatant lie.

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It’s crazy that the board brought Altman back just on employees threatening to quit, and fears that he would go to Microsoft!

Employees could easily have been swayed by telling them that the guy was constantly lying and that Altman’s contribution was mostly veering OpenAi off its core mission.

And no one cared that Altman could flee to Microsoft. He’d have been absorbed and probably would have disappeared because of internal politics.

The board totally fucked up when they fired him and didn’t throw him under the bus by letting the world know that Altman is Silicon Valley at its worst.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Defending him is just as much "jumping to a conclusion" as criticizing him. If anything, it is a more active decision because he hasn't even offered a defense yet to this latest round of accusations meaning a defender must create a defense for him. Meanwhile, a criticism of him requires nothing new since it can just be a summary of the existing allegations against him.

Being skeptical about various possibly biased stories from involved parties would mean not accepting any as true. Where is the conclusion? The burden of proof is usually on the person who brings a claim in a dispute. In contrast, the assumption of guilt based on the statement of an ex-board member is a conclusion.

>Being skeptical about various possibly biased stories from involved parties would mean not accepting any as true.

Party A accused party B of being a liar. Party B did not respond. In order to defend party B, you need to accuse party A of lying. Do you not see the flaw in that response?

>The burden of proof is usually on the person who brings a claim in a dispute.

Only in a criminal trial. There is no assumption of innocence in a civil trial. They are instead judged based on the "preponderance of evidence".

The neutral position when there is a dispute between to people is not to assume either the accuser or accused are lying. It is to assume everyone is telling the truth until they are shown to be lying. Right now the only evidence we have is the testimony of one witness. So until Altman offers a counternarrative, there is no reason to defend him.

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The dishonesty regarding the ChatGPT release sounds like the best decision that Sam or anyone could have made in the history of the company. The ChatGPT release is what made the AI movement go mainstream. It is why OpenAI is worth ~80 billion dollars. By Gods am I glad that the board wasn't able to stop ChatGPT from being released.

> It is why OpenAI is worth ~80 billion dollars. Worth to who?

Worth is determined in the same way that it is for every single other thing in the world.

It is "worth" what someone else is willing to pay for it.

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Sure glad markets solved that and we no longer have ambitious people in charge of countries starting wars.

You’re absolutely right we shouldn’t celebrate that a maniac hasn’t engulfed Europe in war since 1945. This is an incredible feat for anyone with an elementary understanding of history. We’re at the longest period of time that a unified Germany hasn’t started a war. Obviously there are still authoritarians seeking control and starting wars, but they tend not to exist where free markets do. Apologies if that’s inconve…

Isn't it just as plausible that our recent period of relative calm (that is, no world wars at least) is because we invented nuclear weapons?

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He’s not a very defensible person blindly ambitious about power. Kind of weird to be cheering for Elon to knock off Microsoft/OpenAI effort. Also funny to think of Google as an also ran offering for AI.

When it comes to business google is not not an also ran, it has the relationships to monetize the product, vs openAI which has none and a massive trust issue.

OpenAI has Microsoft for that.
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