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Re: Anonymous Source Shared Leaked Google Search API Documents

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Post by bitcharmer »

p3rls wrote: post #228
eitland wrote: post #222

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, don't use it then. I am happy for alternatives, otherwise I guess Kagi wouldn't improve so fast in areas I care about.

I won't use it. I am pushing back on your belief that it has figured something out about anything, because to me it looks like Kagi takes Google's results and then makes them worse. I have total shit ranking #1 on Kagi and Google. On other pages I am struggling to break into the top 10 where I should be right under wikipedia in a just world. I think many people whose lives don't revolve around these things (as in you…

> Kagi takes Google's results and then makes them worse

And this is how I know you haven't used Kagi at all.

Re: Anonymous Source Shared Leaked Google Search API Documents

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Post by p3rls »

bitcharmer wrote: post #241
p3rls wrote: post #228

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I won't use it. I am pushing back on your belief that it has figured something out about anything, because to me it looks like Kagi takes Google's results and then makes them worse. I have total shit ranking #1 on Kagi and Google. On other pages I am struggling to break into the top 10 where I should be right under wikipedia in a just world. I think many people whose lives don't revolve around these things (as in you…

> Kagi takes Google's results and then makes them worse And this is how I know you haven't used Kagi at all.

> And this is how I know you haven't used Kagi at all.

I guess the identical search results in my niche are an example of convergent enshittification of both Kagi and Google then

Re: Anonymous Source Shared Leaked Google Search API Documents

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Post by duckmysick »

amelius wrote: post #171
eitland wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a user of Kagi and search.marginalia.nu I can tell you: Quite a bit. So much that now that I have what "everyone" asked Google for for years - that is blacklists - I hardly use them. Why? Because with Kagi I get much better results out of the box. I am fairly sure Googlers will tell me there are multiple safeguards to prevent the inclusion of Google ads from affecting ranking, to which I just have to say that the…

How do you know that Kagi won't become as bad as Google at some point?

What's the argument you're trying to make?

That because there's a chance Kagi will become bad, there's no point in using it now and thus we should stick to Google, which is already bad? That doesn't make sense.

The same line of thought can be applied to anything. We don't know what will happen in the future, therefore we can't be sure that things won't go bad. Is there even a way to have such a guarantee?

Assuming I don't want to use Google (because it's bad) and I won't use Kagi or Perplexity or others (because they might become bad), what's the realistic solution? Roll my own search engine? I don't have resources and I don't trust the future me to maintain it.

Re: Anonymous Source Shared Leaked Google Search API Documents

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Post by HankB99 »

EcommerceFlow wrote: post #227
HankB99 wrote: post #213

> Successful clicks matter. I wonder about this. If I click a link and read it and I find that it's garbage (e.g. got ranked based on SEO rather than useful content) does it count as a successful click? Worse yet, some of these sites have blatant errors that are only discovered after examination. This is relative to technical subject matter. Other searches, such as shopping may not suffer this kind of problem (or I h…

Once you get to the top 1-3 results, CTR (click through rate) is a much bigger ranking factor. Google knows how long people stay on pages and whether they click and back out immediately. This is important for E-Commerce, because Google doesn't want Site #1 to be mostly out of stock even though they have better links.

> Google knows how long people stay on pages and whether they click and back out immediately.

What if I to keep the search page open and open the "found" page in another tab?

Re: Anonymous Source Shared Leaked Google Search API Documents

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Post by renegade-otter »

theolivenbaum wrote: post #2

Seems like a lot of it came from them inadvertently posting some internal API to GitHub: https://github.com/googleapis/elixir-google-api/commit/078b4...

I guess too many people got laid off to do the whole "three reviewers per PR" thing!

Re: Anonymous Source Shared Leaked Google Search API Documents

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Post by TheSalarian »

elaus wrote: post #51
blitzar wrote: post #39

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(Some) sites don't work on Firefox. Sure it isn't frequent, but it is frequent enough that once a day or so I have to open chrome to do something.

Seriously curious what sites those are, especially if it's not the same page every day. It literally never occurs to me (using Firefox again since 3-4 years) but I mostly browse dev-related websites.

https://business.apple.com simply throws an Unsupported Browser error when trying to visit from Firefox. Unfortunate, but it's another one of those "gotta do it for work" things I deal with.

Re: Anonymous Source Shared Leaked Google Search API Documents

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Post by bitcharmer »

p3rls wrote: post #242
bitcharmer wrote: post #241

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Kagi takes Google's results and then makes them worse And this is how I know you haven't used Kagi at all.

> And this is how I know you haven't used Kagi at all. I guess the identical search results in my niche are an example of convergent enshittification of both Kagi and Google then

Ok, if that's the case then I give up. Totally possible for different people to have wildly different experience.

Re: Anonymous Source Shared Leaked Google Search API Documents

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Post by olliej »

dgellow wrote: post #126
jiggawatts wrote: post #99

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You’re responding to someone complaining about an overly authoritative government by saying that you don’t see the problem, it’s just that the local police force tortures people with downright medieval techniques.

What

While I obviously disagree with your prior comment, I feel "What" is a pretty much perfect comment here. +1.

What.

Re: Anonymous Source Shared Leaked Google Search API Documents

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Post by yencabulator »

staticman2 wrote: post #237
jareklupinski wrote: post #230

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> how a card catalog improved the world i was lamenting the library recently and remembered how books were organized on shelves using the dewey decimal system this meant that if you knew of one book that has something you're looking for, you can find all the _other_ books about the same topic right next to the first book, even if you knew nothing about the contents of the related books

Libraries still exist and sort books like that, don't they?

I believe the point is that the commenter wishes more things operated like that, where adjacent items were related and likely of similar quality, not just boosted with money and SEO trickery.
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