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Re: Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI

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> a large grain of salt You mean a lump of salt? I've always wondered what the right word is to describe this amount of salt /!jk

I've been offered a "lump" of sugar before, and it was not a single sugar crystal. When I hear "large grain of salt" I imagine something like this https://crystalverse.com/sodium-chloride-crystals/ , quite different than a lump.

Those huge salt cubes are so fascinating! New side project added to the list...

Re: Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI

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Catching up right now is not a matter of tech innovation, but raw energy and compute. Of course, the next -revolution- in AI could very well come from Ilya. But why would he bestow that honor to anyone? He can self fund it if he wants. It's an R&D project, not a scaling problem.

If that is the case, why hasn't Google caught up yet?

Wrong leadership at every level: Sundar as CEO, Prabhakar as Search SVP, Sissie as Assistant/Gemini VP. Maybe they should hire Ilya instead?

Re: Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI

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Altman's tweet ( https://x.com/sama/status/1790518031640347056?s=46 ) makes it seem as if he wanted to stay, and Ilya disagreed and "chose" to depart. Very interesting framing.

Since it's all in proper casing I'm going to assume he wrote it with chatgpt.

Or GPT-5 went rogue, took out the senior staff, and is running the game now, Westworld style.

Re: Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI

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I wonder if he thinks LLMs are an AGI dead end and he's not interested in selling a product. There's some academic papers floating around coming to the same conclusion (no links. sorry, studying for a cert exam).

Re: Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI

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Why does everyone here think that the guy who quit/lost his job at OpenAI because he didn't agree with their corporate shift and departure from the original non-profit vision is going to be lining up for another big corporate job building closed for-profit AI?

Re: Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI

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Probably not related, but it's worth pointing out that Daniel Kokotajlo ( https://www.lesswrong.com/users/daniel-kokotajlo ) left last month. But if it were related, then that would presumably be because people within the company (or at least two rather noteworthy people) no longer believe that OpenAI is acting in the best interests of humanity. Which isn't too shocking really given that a decent chunk of us feel the…

Well it might be in the best (long-term) interests of humanity to have autonomous flying killer robots powered by OpenAI secret military contracting work cut the human population in half, in the name of the long-term ecological health of the planet, and to cull those not smart or fast enough to run away, thus improving the breeding stock.

That's why I don't trust people who run around claiming to be serving the best interests of humanity - glassy-eyed futurists with all the answers should be approached with caution.

Re: Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI

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post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Catching up right now is not a matter of tech innovation, but raw energy and compute. Of course, the next -revolution- in AI could very well come from Ilya. But why would he bestow that honor to anyone? He can self fund it if he wants. It's an R&D project, not a scaling problem.

If that is the case, why hasn't Google caught up yet?

Is Google significantly behind? I would say from a technological perspective, they're very closely trailing or even surpassing OpenAI in many ways; they've built a formidable ChatGPT competitor in Gemini—not to mention they have a huge home court advantage with billions of people on Search, Chrome, Android, and G Suite. If you zoom out a bit, it's not really a fair fight between the two. More likely, Apple and Microsoft win against Google because they use/buy OpenAI.

Re: Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI

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I'll say it again - the one who was irreplaceable at OpenAI is Ilya, not Sam.

"Was irreplaceable" != "is still irreplaceable". OpenAI as a company has outgrown any individual engineer or scientist, no matter how smart.

Depends if top talent prioritizes money over values. But usually money wins.
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