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Who buys the chain burgers fast-food companies burgers?
Americans.
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Tracking Illicit Brazilian Beef from the Amazon to Your Burger
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Utah at least specifically only protected things like slaughterhouses. I am not familiar. The penalties in these laws are higher than just generic secret recording.
I think both depend on which state. Do you have the law that prevents the recording in UT? I only see the tresspassing law. Which by the way, would appear to be a class B misdemeanor if it was agricultural land or if it was a building (same for both your examples).
https://le.utah.gov/xcode/Title76/Chapter6/76-6-S112.html
I wasn't trying to distinguish between land and building, mostly just that they are about recording and specifically animal operations.
I'm almost certain Utah is not the only state that specifically has laws around recording and specifically for animal operations that go beyond just generic trespass, but I don't have time right now to dive in.
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If the definition of undercover journalism is simply lying about ones identity in order to publish secrets with the intent to cause injury to another party, then yes, absolutely, I'm in favor of outlawing it, and a 1 year max seems generous.
Divulging someone's secrets isn't intrinsically unethical. If I reveal the secret that you've murdered someone that's not a secret that you ever had any right to keep. Likewise these "secrets" aren't something valuable like an algorithm that's in the interest of society to protect. The secret is their monstrous and unethical practices which lower their sales when their prospective consumers learn about them. Keeping…
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You would not have as high penalties if it wasn’t an animal facility and you were filming.
Do you have the law on that? It seems your example in Utah would be class B misdemeanors for trespass in either scenario. I didn't see any law specifically about recording slaughterhouses.
https://le.utah.gov/xcode/Title76/Chapter6/76-6-S112.html
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There is no hypocrisy in cattle farming. No species on earth other than humans care about another species existence other than how it will benefit their own species. I'm not saying humans shouldn't be different, but there is no hypocrisy in keeping in line with every other species in the known universe.
Humans didn't care either until very recently, when it became apparant just how much capacity we have to drive other animals to extinction. Our ability to destroy is many orders of magnitude beyond any other animal, so having at least a little more restraint is basically a requirement for a sustainable society.
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#246I grew up on a (very) small farm - so I knew where all the meat we ate (and eggs, apple, plums and jam) came from. One of the things I find most disconcerting as an adult is the disconnect with the food I eat. Even the local 'farmer butcher' - I don't actually know if the meat they sell me is what they say it is. I buy a lot of deer from a friend of a friend as it feels slightly more known to me - even if I have no i…
I grew up similarly and it's part of the reason I've cut back on my meat. Shoving 100 cattle into a 1 acre feed lot for their entire lives is unfortunately how a lot of beef is produced. They spend their lives covered in shit, sleeping in shit, and trapped with no where to roam. And instead of addressing this problem, my state (Idaho) made it illegal to take photos of the issue. [1] [1] https://legislature.idaho.gov/…
I think what they're saying there is "I was just taking pictures... noooo, you will break my camera!!! you evil brute!" when you say GTFO is no defense.
Not saying there aren't weird laws. Check the notions of boxed squares (miles) and airspace. Some of these need addressing at the federal level.
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I can see two reasons: maybe it is not cheaper, or maybe there's not enough for local consumers. There should definitely be some economic incentive somewhere. Higher quality is debatable, foreign imports are not necessarily "lower quality", I'm a Brazilian so I'm on the other side of the coin, our beef is anything but low quality. The problem that the article wants to expose is that much of it is raised on illegal ra…
Doubtful that the mass ranched cattle is raised to the same quality standards as in America, especially if they know their beef is going to fast food. Ex. Grass fed, hormone-free Also I understand what the article points out about illegal ranches supplying corporations but Who eats the food from the food chains?
This is why I mentioned the word debatable. Brazil has high-quality standards for cattle; I specifically live in an agribusiness state in Brazil (very far away from the Amazon, although still having ecological problems). The absolute majority of cattle here are raised in free-range being grass-fed, without any hormones, and this is exactly the problem, free-ranging demands a lot of land, and ultimately this land is being made by cutting down old-growth forests.
Let's not make assumptions about quality when we don't have enough information from each country to make an educated guess. I will point out that Brazil is the largest exporter of agricultural products in the West, and we comply with very demanding markets, including the US. The problem being cited is not about quality—we are compliant with the FDA—but the ethics of ranging cattle in previously Amazon forests
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#248Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think both depend on which state. Do you have the law that prevents the recording in UT? I only see the tresspassing law. Which by the way, would appear to be a class B misdemeanor if it was agricultural land or if it was a building (same for both your examples).
https://le.utah.gov/xcode/Title76/Chapter6/76-6-S112.html I wasn't trying to distinguish between land and building, mostly just that they are about recording and specifically animal operations. I'm almost certain Utah is not the only state that specifically has laws around recording and specifically for animal operations that go beyond just generic trespass, but I don't have time right now to dive in.
Ok, thanks for the link. Based on that information it seems generic tresspass and the agricultural interference laws carry similar penalties depending on the circumstances. Both are either class A or class B misdemeanors.
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#249Earlier quoted context omitted.
Do you have the law on that? It seems your example in Utah would be class B misdemeanors for trespass in either scenario. I didn't see any law specifically about recording slaughterhouses.
https://le.utah.gov/xcode/Title76/Chapter6/76-6-S112.html also linked in other comment
Based on that link, tresspass in non animal facilities carry similar penalties (both either class A or class B misdemeanors depending on specifics).
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Yeah, because crossing a border completely changes the flavour of the meat.
It’s more the feed. If you’re getting factory farmed stuff yeah it’s all going to taste roughly the same. But the Amazon, Chaco, and Pampas are wildly different ecological regions. Will Argentine Chaco and Paraguayan Chaco taste roughly the same, yes. But the pampas, that is where real beef comes from.
Sure, but the Pampas are partly in Brazil as well... and there's probably a lot of beef from Argentina that is not from the Pampas region. I mean, you could just say "pampas beef" tastes better, that would make more sense.