No mention of battery life. They keep making stuff thin, and unupgradeable. What's the point of buying an apple device that is going to wear out in 5 years?
Apple introduces M4 chip
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#242No mention of battery life. They keep making stuff thin, and unupgradeable. What's the point of buying an apple device that is going to wear out in 5 years?
To be fair every MacBook I’ve had has lasted 10 years minimum
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#243"The M4 is so fast, it'll probably finish your Final Cut export before you accidentally switch apps and remember that that cancels the export entirely. That's the amazing power performance lead that Apple Silicon provides." #AppleEvent https://mastodon.social/@tolmasky/112400245162436195
Ha. That really highlights how absurd the toy of iPadOS is compared to the beasts that are the M-series chips.
It's like putting a Ferrari engine inside of a Little Tikes toy car. I really have no idea who the target market for this device is.
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#244M2's Neural Engine had 15TOPS, M3's 18TOPS (+20%) vs. M4's 38TOPS (+111%). In transistor counts, M2 had 20BTr, M3 25BTr (+25%) and M4 has 28BTr (+12%). M2 used TSMC N5P (138MTr/mm2), M3 used TSMC N3 (197MTr/mm2, +43%) and M4 uses TSMC N3E (215MTr/mm2, +9%).[1][2] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5_nm_process#%225_nm%22_proces... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3_nm_process#%223_nm%22_proces...
> The Most Powerful Neural Engine Ever
While it is true that the claimed performance for M4 is better than for the current Intel Meteor Lake and AMD Hawk Point, it is also significantly lower (e.g. around half) than the AI performance claimed for the laptop CPU+GPU+NPU models that both Intel and AMD will introduce in the second half of this year (Arrow Lake and Strix Point).
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#245Earlier quoted context omitted.
Apple usually massively exaggerates their tech spec comparison - is it REALLY half the power use of all times (so we'll get double the battery life) or is it half the power use in some scenarios (so we'll get like... 15% more battery life total) ?
IME Apple has always been the most honest when it makes performance claims. LIke when they said an Macbook Air would last 10+ hours and third-party reviewers would get 8-9+ hours. All the while, Dell or HP would claim 19 hours and you'd be lucky to get 2 eg [1]. As for CPU power use, of course that doesn't translate into doubling battery life because there are other components. And yes, it seems the OLED display uses…
> IME Apple has always been the most honest when it makes performance claims
That's just laughable, sorry. No one is particularly honest in marketing copy, but Apple is for sure one of the worst, historically. Even more so when you go back to the PPC days. I still remember Jobs on stage talking about how the G4 was the fasted CPU in the world when I knew damn well that it was half the speed of the P3 on my desk.
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#246The 256gb and 512gb models have 8gb of ram. The 1tb and 2tb models have 16gb. Not a fan of tying ram to storage. https://www.apple.com/ipad-pro/specs/
If these things will ever get MacOS support it will be useless with 8 GB of Ram. Such a waste of nice components.
> If these things will ever get MacOS support
The Macbook line will get iPadOS support long before they allow MacOS on this line. Full steam ahead towards the walled garden.
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#2471Tb model = €2750.
For iPad, not an MBP laptop.
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#248Earlier quoted context omitted.
If these things will ever get MacOS support it will be useless with 8 GB of Ram. Such a waste of nice components.
This comes up frequently. 8GB is sufficient for most casual and light productivity use cases. Not everyone is a power user, in fact, most people aren’t.
That would be fine if the 8GB model was also priced for casual and light productivity use cases. But alas, this is Apple we're talking about.
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#249Earlier quoted context omitted.
And here it is in an OS that can't even max out an M1! That said, the function keys make me think "and it runs macOS" is coming, and THAT would be extremely compelling.
We've seen a slow march over the last decade towards the unification of iOS and macOS. Maybe not a "it runs macOS", but an eventual "they share all the same apps" with adaptive UIs.
They probably saw the debacle that was Windows 8 and thought merging a desktop and touch OS is a decade-long gradual task, if that is even the final intention.
Unlike MS that went with the Big Bang in your face approach that was oh-so successful.
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#250Am I wrong, or is raytracing on an iPad an _insane_ thing to announce? As far as I know, raytracing is the holy grail of computer graphics. It's something that became viable on consumer gaming desktops just a few years ago, and now we have real-time ray tracing on a tablet.
iPhones with A17 already have hardware ray tracing. Few applications/games support it at present.