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Flightradar24's new GPS jamming map

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Re: Flightradar24's new GPS jamming map

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Which threats and treaties, specifically? I don't have a great memory - so please share actual sources. Also, are you aware of this?: https://www.armscontrol.org/act/2019-09/news/us-completes-in...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum As for INF, US withdrawal was a response to Russia testing infringing missiles first.

Maybe, but US pulled out first:

https://www.npr.org/2019/02/05/691521600/russia-pulls-out-of...

Re: Flightradar24's new GPS jamming map

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I'm not a NATO strategist or anything, so I'm adding this as a child comment, but I think the big story in the GPS/aviation world these days is probably Russia's n̵e̵a̵r̵-̵c̵o̵n̵s̵t̵a̵n̵t̵ frequent jamming of GPS over Poland, Finland, Sweden, Estonia, and Lithuania. Degrading and even neutralizing strategic infrastructure in EU and NATO countries, significantly affecting commercial aviation at the least, is a big dea…

It should be a big story, as should be the fact that Russia invaded a peaceful neighboring country and keeps murdering, raping and torturing its residents. But somehow much of the world pretends not to notice and only does whatever is convenient at the moment (buy Russian oil/gas, do business in Russia, stay "neutral", etc). I find it incredibly depressing, I thought that surely in the 2020s our civilization would ha…

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Re: Flightradar24's new GPS jamming map

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The linked page already says that it reports on the constellation, not just GPS: "The map uses are color coded overlay to indicate low (green) to high (red) levels of interference with global navigation satellite systems (GNSS). Often just referred to as GPS, there are actually multiple systems beside the US GPS constellation, such as Russia’s GLONASS, Europe’s Galileo, China’s BeiDou, and others."

Just came here to wonder who came up with the beautiful name of CLOWNASS... er, I mean GLONASS.

GLObalnaya NAvigatsionnaya Sputnikovaya Sistema in Russian.

Re: Flightradar24's new GPS jamming map

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Can you provide sources where they actually threaten to nuke anyone out of the blue (excluding Medvedev, he’s especially nuts)? All I can find is them clarifying their nuclear policy when pressed about it (would only use in situation of existential threat). Which seems less bellicose than US policy (as the US changed ours not long ago, seemingly allowing for first strike which is pretty insane): https://www.armscontr…

Medvedev is chairman of the Russian security council though, who else would be more qualified for dishing out the weekly nuclear threat?

Which weekly nuclear threat?

Sensational out of context drive by sound bytes from the likes of Guardian, Fox News, Twitter and video gammer subreddits are not sources - they’re click bait.

Re: Flightradar24's new GPS jamming map

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post #235

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It should be a big story, as should be the fact that Russia invaded a peaceful neighboring country and keeps murdering, raping and torturing its residents. But somehow much of the world pretends not to notice and only does whatever is convenient at the moment (buy Russian oil/gas, do business in Russia, stay "neutral", etc). I find it incredibly depressing, I thought that surely in the 2020s our civilization would ha…

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I haven't the slightest idea what point you're trying to make, except perhaps arguing that the GP should for some reason go to Ukraine and fight if they think the invasion was wrong?

Re: Flightradar24's new GPS jamming map

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I've been working on mapping GPS jamming using ADS-B data for a couple years, and I'll try to address questions and points brought up here based on what I know. Relevant previous posts on HN: 2022: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32245346 2023: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37868106 (From my comment on that 2023 post: "Why haven't FlightRadar24, FlightAware, or any of the other flight trackers done this?"…

> As some of you have noticed, GPS jamming is highly correlated with conflict zones. It might be sampling bias. More military aviation with erratic movement and also planes turning off and on their transmitters. To measure GPS jamming, you should measure from a fixed object. Trying to do that with planes is unnecessary hard.

You can see a real-time display of aircraft that have possible GNSS interference at https://globe.adsbexchange.com/?badgps

If you look at that for a few seconds, you'll see that it's almost entirely civilian passenger aircraft that are not making erratic movements, and that are near conflict zones.

Detecting GPS jamming with planes actually works a lot better than from a fixed terrestrial object, because 1. They have greater sensor range, 2. There are lots of them, 3. They move and cover lots of area, 4. they cover e.g. parts of the Black Sea where it would be more difficult to put a ground-based sensor.

Re: Flightradar24's new GPS jamming map

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So how should I interpret this? The map lacks geopolitical boundaries, so it's hard to interpret. There looks like a big hole of no data over Ukraine, where I'd most expect GPS jamming, but I suppose there are no civilian flights either. Maybe they could setup an GPS observation station on the ground at a surveyed point to get data there. There's a big red blob over Turkey, is that maybe the southern edge of the reac…

The Eastern Mediterranean might be the (significant, underreported, under-remembered) Russian military presence in Syria. They have airbases, a naval base, they rotate and train their officers there, they constantly ship military equipment back and forth from the Black Sea ports via the Bosphorus to Syria, they train the Syrian army, they build human shield observation posts overlooking Israel. What's unfathomable to…

I think there are probably many parties contributing to the interference in the Eastern Mediterrarnean. Russia and Israel are two of the big ones right now (and both have admitted doing it).

See this report by C4ADS from 2019, about Russian jamming: https://c4ads.org/reports/above-us-only-stars/

Map of Israeli GPS spoofing (which is distinct from jamming, and we haven't talked much about in this discussion): https://twitter.com/lemonodor/status/1717987479255720076

Re: Flightradar24's new GPS jamming map

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What if this Russian jamming crap causes another major loss of life like MH17? We really have to do something about this.

Airplanes don't need GPS to fly. Jamming GPS won't cause any crashes.

GPS jamming is already thought to have caused one drone accident, with fatality: http://lemondronor.com/blog/index.php/2013/3/gps-loss-kicked...

And there have been several close calls already, with passenger jets: https://spectrum.ieee.org/faa-files-reveal-a-surprising-thre...

Planes don't need radar, transponders, or even radio to fly, but they're all very important for safety.

Re: Flightradar24's new GPS jamming map

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Medvedev is chairman of the Russian security council though, who else would be more qualified for dishing out the weekly nuclear threat?

Which weekly nuclear threat? Sensational out of context drive by sound bytes from the likes of Guardian, Fox News, Twitter and video gammer subreddits are not sources - they’re click bait.

https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews

Months and months of this nonsense now.

Do you really think Solovyov and Simonyan are broadcasting it without official approval?

Re: Flightradar24's new GPS jamming map

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Then you remember they called Ukraine in NATO an existential threat, and wiped their butts with international treaties that were supposed to be much more set in stone than some half-official nuclear doctrine. However, this is all playing chicken. Whenever they were facing actual opposition, they backed down.

Which threats and treaties, specifically? I don't have a great memory - so please share actual sources. Also, are you aware of this?: https://www.armscontrol.org/act/2019-09/news/us-completes-in...

Here are a few.

https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-polytics/3503924-president-...

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