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Dear Paul Graham, there is no cookie banner law

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Re: Dear Paul Graham, there is no cookie banner law

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Slovenia does have a cookie law, explicitly stating that setting cookies in browsers is not allowed unless permission is granted beforehand. But it's up to interpretarion whether enabling cookies in the browser counts as permission.

http://www.pisrs.si/Pis.web/pregledPredpisa?id=ZAKO8611 -- 225. člen (piškotki)

Re: Dear Paul Graham, there is no cookie banner law

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post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Using your analogy, I think what ends up happening is that even companies that don't collect hidden fees will put up a banner just in case. Not only that, I'm not an EU citizen and I'm not browsing websites based in EU but I'm still bombarded with cookie banners non-stop.

Do you have /any/ examples of websites that don't have a bunch of 3rd party cookies that still have a cookie banner? Middle managers absolutely love anything with charts and graphs because it makes their decisions feel more scientific. That's why they want tracking software included on their websites. And if the law requires disclosure then a cookie popup is the solution.

It only took two minutes to find at https://www.schwarzkuenstler.com/ and I'm sure I can find a dozen more in half an hour.

Germany is a bit litigious w.r.t. internet or privacy, so the combination---cookie consent---is a doozy. Nearly every German website that does anything will have a consent notification, and the slightest misstep (e.g. using Google Fonts without asking permission) can be punishable.

Re: Dear Paul Graham, there is no cookie banner law

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post #196

Earlier quoted context omitted.

it would be horrible regulation if you tell how to comply instead of telling what to comply with. as written elsewhere (since you obviously didn't read anything) your proposed solution would be just fine. But people opted out of impmenting it that way since it would yield less profit.

Show me the section of the ePrivacy Directive (Directive 2002/58/EC) or GDPR that implies the "Do Not Track" browser setting can override the need for consent banners / popups.

well, if you respect the do not track setting and therefore DO NOT TRACK, then just remove the banner. You have not obligation to tell people that you do not track because you do not track.

Re: Dear Paul Graham, there is no cookie banner law

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Imagine a market in which companies charge a lot of hidden fees behind their customers' back, and users are not happy when they realize after the fact. The law is updated to say you are not allowed to charge the user a fee unless you tell him in advance. Companies with tons of hidden fees decide to keep them but force you to read all the fees on every page of the menu before you can see the rest of the text, in the m…

Using your analogy, I think what ends up happening is that even companies that don't collect hidden fees will put up a banner just in case. Not only that, I'm not an EU citizen and I'm not browsing websites based in EU but I'm still bombarded with cookie banners non-stop.

Just been in Europe last week (I live in US): you have no idea what a nightmare internet is in Europe. You are only seeing a side effect here.

Re: Dear Paul Graham, there is no cookie banner law

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it is pure HN that there's so many people commenting who 1) didn't bother to read the article 2) didn't bother to read any previous articles and so have continually spread nonsense about what the regulations actually required 3) defending all the companies that decided to be fuckwits with barrages of notices to users instead of actually sincerely trying to reduce their creepy nonsense and then - if anything was left…

I believe quite a lot of them have their paychecks depending on invasive user tracking, so no surprise.

everyone's at best a temporarily embarrassed surveillance capitalist

Re: Dear Paul Graham, there is no cookie banner law

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> Just don’t track. You're making it sound like it was a switch that I could simply turn on/off as a web dev. The reality is that most sites are a complete clusterf*k of 3rd party components, dependencies, backend services etc. Doing an audit of which of these components are compliant with tracking / cookie laws is just not a realistic ask. Hence why devs decide to just tack on a cookie banner and call it a day.

These do not sound like competent companies, if they cannot even classify the tracking that they initiate as essential or non-essential

Re: Dear Paul Graham, there is no cookie banner law

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Europe's parliament's site has cookie banner[1]. People saying you don't need cookie banner either haven't worked in companies or are purely driven by ideology. [1]: https://www.europarl.europa.eu/portal/en

And it's a super sane implementation. A simple yes or no.

Re: Dear Paul Graham, there is no cookie banner law

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post #18
post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If your business is "doing sketchy shit with people's data", and the regulatory hammer just came down on you... well, yeah.

Come on, this is such a ridiculous take. Adding google adsense to a website needs a cookie bar. That’t not "doing sketchy shit with people's data" I can’t believe how many people have bought into this EU regulation hook line and sinker. It’s ridiculous, imagine the man hours that have been wasted in the last 7 years just clicking cookie bars. And as OP says, it’s completely unrealistic to not have them.

> That’t not "doing sketchy shit with people's data"

Of course it is. If you add AdSense to your website you are letting Google track your users in exchange for a cut of the profits. Of course you should have to warn your users that they are being tracked at the very least.

Re: Dear Paul Graham, there is no cookie banner law

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post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Using your analogy, I think what ends up happening is that even companies that don't collect hidden fees will put up a banner just in case. Not only that, I'm not an EU citizen and I'm not browsing websites based in EU but I'm still bombarded with cookie banners non-stop.

Do you have /any/ examples of websites that don't have a bunch of 3rd party cookies that still have a cookie banner? Middle managers absolutely love anything with charts and graphs because it makes their decisions feel more scientific. That's why they want tracking software included on their websites. And if the law requires disclosure then a cookie popup is the solution.

My company recently announced a game, and we launched a website for the game. There's no ̶t̶h̶i̶r̶d̶ ̶p̶a̶r̶t̶y̶ e:tracking cookies (I didn't make the site, but I do run it).

Our US based legal team told us we needed a cookie banner if we were going to have visitors in the EU. I pushed back, but I lost, and ultimately it's not my fight.

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