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Berlin's techno scene added to Unesco intangible cultural heritage list

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Post by vidarh »

LAC-Tech wrote: post #226
vidarh wrote: post #66

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At least Moscow is bigger in terms of within it's city limits too, though, but then unless we want to be pedantic we get into what the person meant by "continental Europe". To what extent people colloquially refer to any part of Russia when talking about Europe varies greatly.

any school boy knows west of the urals = europe

Most of us are no longer in school, and lots of people forget that as soon as they learn it, but it's also entirely irrelevant to the question of how the term was used. "Europe" is very commonly used as a synonym for the EEA or even just EU many places today, no matter how incorrect that is.

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Post by bravura »

luplex wrote: post #177
wizerdrobe wrote: post #170

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What exactly is Kreuzberg 36? I always assumed that was a street number after hearing an old Smut Peddlers song. https://genius.com/Smut-peddlers-kreuzberg-36-lyrics

Kreuzberg is a borough in Berlin with 150k inhabitants, and it used to be divided into two postcodes: 36 and 61. 36 is the cooler, poorer, more political, younger half of the borough, it really was a center for non-conformists after reunification, but it's being gentrified these days.

https://needleberlin.com/2014/07/03/the-two-faces-of-kreuzbe...

"36 Brennt, 61 Pennt"

'I’ve tried to come up with a rhyme that works in English: “36’s on fire, 61’s just tired” was one solution, but it doesn’t carry the matter-of-factness of the German.'

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Post by scns »

noelwelsh wrote: post #122
ricksunny wrote: post #78

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Can you distinguish these two? In my head EDM & techno occupy the same space.

Compare: * Plastikman: Spastik: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TYsOMYaz6E (minimal techno) * Fred Again: Pull Me Out: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cl6Rz1Uvi2M (house / "EDM") (EDM is more a US term than a European one, IME.) I think the differences in style are quite obvious.

Fred Again is pretty unique, would not classify him as EDM.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0-hvjV2A5Y

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Post by scns »

jahnu wrote: post #128
noelwelsh wrote: post #122

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Compare: * Plastikman: Spastik: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TYsOMYaz6E (minimal techno) * Fred Again: Pull Me Out: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cl6Rz1Uvi2M (house / "EDM") (EDM is more a US term than a European one, IME.) I think the differences in style are quite obvious.

Ahhh Ritchie Hawtin. Legend! A friend was playing this in a bar last night and it took me back. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yWOtCXu6dCE&pp=ygUTc3lzdGVtIDc...

Killer Acid tune.

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Post by jen729w »

pastor_bob wrote: post #221
jen729w wrote: post #19

Any Australians here who were there for Melbourne’s ‘dirty electro’ scene through the 00s-10s? I feel very privileged to have lived my 30s through that time. Public Office in West Melbourne. The Lounge! Oh my god the Lounge on Swanston. E55 at the bottom end of Elizabeth. And let’s never forget Revolver, not that it needs forgetting as it’s still going. Everyone in that scene was there for the music. We all danced, w…

Not Australian but I wanted to say thanks for all the vids of the melbourne shuffle that came out around that period. Very entertaining for an american teenager

My friends call me ‘Johnny two-step’ to this day.

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Post by NamTaf »

ricksunny wrote: post #236
empath-nirvana wrote: post #172

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There's two definitions of EDM, the first is it's original intended definition, which was as a blanket classification for all electronic dance music -- techno, jungle, house, dubstep, whatever. Instead of calling it techno or electronica, or whatever, EDM was meant to encompass all of it. Almost immediately after the term started being used, though, it became strongly associated with a particular type of dance music…

Thanks, that helps. I would love to see a classifier try to cluster tracks across the different types of "not-necessarily-festival-EDM', and compare to see if it clusters as many fans also would.

It’s not anything to do with AI, but you might like this: https://music.ishkur.com/

Crazy to think it’s been a thing since the 90s when it was built in Flash!

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Post by Gibbon1 »

downWidOutaFite wrote: post #224
wheels wrote: post #81

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Tourism definitely wasn't a major drag on the techno scene. There's always been the tourist clubs and the clubs that were more underground. Berliners usually don't go to Berlin's best known clubs. (Who the hell goes to Watergate or Tresor? Old joke was that Tresor was the biggest club in Dresden.) I think the biggest drag is actually rent prices. When I got to Berlin 20 years ago you could get a room in a shared flat…

This sounds similar to what's happened in Oakland, CA. When I moved here 25 years ago there was a huge underground music and arts scene in West Oakland warehouses but the last 10 years of gentrification has wiped it out. After the pandemic (and constant right-wing propaganda) Oakland is now once again deemed a wasteland and businesses are fleeing, but I've started noticing a new youth culture is slowly starting to em…

The crackdown on all the spaces after the Ghostship fire basically obliterated it. Says something about the civic culture in the US that they chose to just wipe those spaces out instead of just making sure they were safe.

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Gibbon1 wrote: post #247
downWidOutaFite wrote: post #224

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This sounds similar to what's happened in Oakland, CA. When I moved here 25 years ago there was a huge underground music and arts scene in West Oakland warehouses but the last 10 years of gentrification has wiped it out. After the pandemic (and constant right-wing propaganda) Oakland is now once again deemed a wasteland and businesses are fleeing, but I've started noticing a new youth culture is slowly starting to em…

The crackdown on all the spaces after the Ghostship fire basically obliterated it. Says something about the civic culture in the US that they chose to just wipe those spaces out instead of just making sure they were safe.

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Post by throwaway55671 »

projectazorian wrote: post #196
throwaway55671 wrote: post #49

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> established or up and coming DJs Well there's the problem. What you should compare is how many unknown new guys just making good music for fun in small unknown clubs visited by locals are there. In my city I can go to a random non-descript bar with zero marketing or entrance fee, sit down peacefully with a drink, and hear world class techno together with few dozen strangers. Every evening. Doesn't feel that way in…

What city?

Prague

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Post by throwaway55671 »

omnimus wrote: post #45
larodi wrote: post #4

According to many people, including record shop owners I’ve talked to, Berlin’s scene is actually not so underground and not so cool anymore as a result of tourism and immigration. Rich people nowadays buy property in Potsdam, and the scene is moving towards Leipzig. In a more general sense the old rave cities are making way, and have been making way, to other cities. A movement spanning more than 20 years now, thank…

Nothing even compares to Berlin. Prague has basically 2 clubs and they are working partly because it's cheap and only 4hour train from Berlin so it's fun destination for both Berliners and Berlin DJS. Athens is where lots of the techno scene (djs, producers) has been moving to but that's because property is cheap so they can run away from Berlin winter. It also has like 2 clubs. In Berlin there are so many venues it'…

Total nonsense about Prague. There are 2 great techno clubs/bars on each Žižkov, Vršovice or Holešovice street, lol. It's mostly locals and expats listening to guys doing it for fun with no managers or marketing (or entrance fees), so yeah it makes sense you have no idea if you don't live there, but just walk around the city and listen.

Let me get you a list for your next Prague trip: Fuchs 2, Bike Jesus, Altenburg, Bukanýr, Ankali, Roxy, Onyx, Jilská 22, Swim, Centrála, Cross, Storm, Chapeau Rouge, Planeta Za, Wildt, Mecca, Studio ... That's just the very well known ones, then you have hundreds of random small unknown places with great unknown DJs all around the city, and many great rave events in places like nuclear bunkers, castles, churches, forests.

The mainstream event halls normally used for big artist concerts are now hosting raves too.

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