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'If anything happens, it's not suicide': Boeing whistleblower before death

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Re: 'If anything happens, it's not suicide': Boeing whistleblower before death

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Post by psychoslave »

whacko_quacko wrote: post #152
kashunstva wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> normal people motivated by money… strangle car owners and steal their cars… Those are not in any way normal people. If someone makes it to 16-17 y/o without acquiring that fundamental moral lesson, I would not characterize them as normal, whatever the cause of that failure.

"Normal" means common here, and the fact that common people happily commit heinous acts is nothing new. E.g. the holocaust was comitted by "normal" people. Moral grandstanding won't change the fact that civilization is rather thinly veiling the violent ape in most of us

>Moral grandstanding won't change the fact that civilization is rather thinly veiling the violent ape in most of us

I don’t think civilization is a panacea here.

To my mind, civilization is not exactly a strict synonym of peaceful generous enlightened humanism. Of course as a phenomenon it can encompass this kind of behavior, but just as well as it can help foster genocides, war and torture.

Holocaust didn’t happen despite civilized minds, it happened specifically through a civilizational scheme.

Re: 'If anything happens, it's not suicide': Boeing whistleblower before death

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Post by lukan »

whimsicalism wrote: post #156
johnohara wrote: post #118

These kinds of things happen and the waters immediately get murky. Even those closest to the person in question are never really 100% sure. Reminds me of the death of journalist Michael Hastings in 2013. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Hastings_(journalist)#... Richard Clarke's assessment seemed to carry the weight of truth. But only to a point. Just enough to engage the suspicions of family and friends, but no…

In my view, almost all of these are accidents or suicides and people watch way too many hollywood films. The Hastings thing is classic mania for those of us who know people who have experienced that.

I wouldn't be so sure. I dropped that point of view, after I read about the Lucona incident in europe and all the dirt behind it:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucona

Which lead me to:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Gladio

"According to several Western European researchers, the operation involved the use of assassination, psychological warfare, and false flag operations to delegitimize left-wing parties in Western European countries, and even went so far as to support anti-communist militias and right-wing terrorism as they tortured communists and assassinated them"

Opened a whole box of pandora for me. So I rather think there is much more dark shit going on, than what makes the news, we just see the tip of the iceberg. And not just about the big players. Probably also common people have way more corpses in their basements, than what you would expect, if you grew up in a safe space.

Edit: about Lucona, the wiki page reads quite boring, but the book by the private detective who uncovered it, is quite informative. Casual mentioned details, like that there is a court of the organized crime in london where they settle their cases. Or that the insurance company, who initially hired him to investigate, offered him money in the end, to stop investigating, as he was uncovering up too much dirt.

Re: 'If anything happens, it's not suicide': Boeing whistleblower before death

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Post by whimsicalism »

lukan wrote: post #242
whimsicalism wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In my view, almost all of these are accidents or suicides and people watch way too many hollywood films. The Hastings thing is classic mania for those of us who know people who have experienced that.

I wouldn't be so sure. I dropped that point of view, after I read about the Lucona incident in europe and all the dirt behind it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucona Which lead me to: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Gladio "According to several Western European researchers, the operation involved the use of assassination, psychological warfare, and false flag operations to delegitimize left-wing parties in W…

Definitely stuff going on that does not make the news, but a lot of people also just commit suicide, swear to their friends and family they wont, and do it anyways.

But there is a world of difference between doing this as a small business owner vs. a massive publicly traded company.

Re: 'If anything happens, it's not suicide': Boeing whistleblower before death

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Post by whimsicalism »

regentbowerbird wrote: post #222
whimsicalism wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In my view, almost all of these are accidents or suicides and people watch way too many hollywood films. The Hastings thing is classic mania for those of us who know people who have experienced that.

But people _do_ die when exposing corruption of the rich. Such as Daphne Caruana Galizia and Ján Kuciak for the Panama papers. Would you call their deaths "hollywood films"? And it'd be natural to think killers would try to hide their traces, such that most such deaths would look like an accident or suicide.

I am more skeptical of the perfect staging to make it look like a suicide theory.

Both of those killings were in pseudo-mafioso states. Both were also immediately recognized as murder. State-sanctioned murder of your own citizens on your own soil is a lot less commmon in a country like the US, although there are well as Mafia and organized crime murders. But I think successful staging as a suicide is uncommon outside of Hollywood and repressive governments.

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Post by MaxikCZ »

codetrotter wrote: post #176

The OP link https://abcnews4.com/news/local/if-anything-happens-its-not-... has two different cookie consent banners on top of each other and on iPhone using Safari I can’t scroll down to click any buttons to dismiss the banners which cover the screen. Screenshot of unreadable page: https://i.imgur.com/LNjbgK5.png I’m in Europe, maybe that’s why they are serving me the page with these overlays. Thankfully however, ar…

Thats an easy signal from the page to me that they really dont want me to read their content, so I just dont. There is 0 need for a cookie for me reading an article, so 0 need for a cookie disclaimer/consent box.

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Post by lupusreal »

vnchr wrote: post #24
jraby3 wrote: post #5

Wouldn’t the time to have killed him be before he testified?

He was killed between pre-trial deposition interviews pertaining to a trial that is still upcoming.[1] One might speculate he was killed immediately after it was confirmed in a deposition that he had knowledge damaging to Boeing, and he intended to testify in that upcoming trial. [1] https://au.news.yahoo.com/boeing-whistleblower-john-barnett-...

He may have been killed not because his own testimony was a threat to Boeing, but rather to make other presently unknown potential whistleblowers think twice and decide to never come forward in the first place. Sending an implied threat to Boeing employees.

For instance, any Boeing/Spirit employees who might be thinking about going to the FAA with information about who in management knew about and okayed the plug door "opening" scheme. Boeing surely wants the investigations to conclude that this is something no more than a few workers did of their own initiative and successfully hid from management, but that's probably not true.

Re: 'If anything happens, it's not suicide': Boeing whistleblower before death

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Post by lukan »

whimsicalism wrote: post #243
lukan wrote: post #242

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wouldn't be so sure. I dropped that point of view, after I read about the Lucona incident in europe and all the dirt behind it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucona Which lead me to: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Gladio "According to several Western European researchers, the operation involved the use of assassination, psychological warfare, and false flag operations to delegitimize left-wing parties in W…

Definitely stuff going on that does not make the news, but a lot of people also just commit suicide, swear to their friends and family they wont, and do it anyways. But there is a world of difference between doing this as a small business owner vs. a massive publicly traded company.

True, most things are also much more mundane and boring, than what people would expect. No hidden 5 layers of conspiracy are deployed everywhere.

But that now still reminds me of: "A Report on the Banality of Evil" by Hanah Arendt about Eichmann and a holocaust trial.

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Post by jiggawatts »

pavlov wrote: post #74
ZoomerCretin wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We don't know that this was the result of a state actor. It could also have been someone who bought a ton of Boeing calls before the safety scandals.

> “It could also have been someone who bought a ton of Boeing calls” Now I’m imagining a show set in Greenwich, Connecticut, where a gentle white-haired family man trades options during the day and manages assassinations after the kids go to bed. “The Americans” meets “The Big Short”?

I would binge watch that.

Re: 'If anything happens, it's not suicide': Boeing whistleblower before death

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Post by lupusreal »

tarruda wrote: post #208
ixaxaar wrote: post #12

Oh so in Russia its jumping out a window and in the USA its some random method of suicide? Why not be specific, and consistent, like Russia?

With Yevgeny Prigozhin, the method was ingestion of surface-to-air missile: https://babylonbee.com/news/leader-of-failed-russian-uprisin...

Give the alternative methods known to be used by the Russian government, Prigo's assassination almost seems like a sort of royal treatment.

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Post by [deleted] »

jonathankoren wrote: post #125
geek_at wrote: post #6

While I can't see "Boeing" (as a whole command structure) can be blamed for his death I do see the possibility of some corrupt person in a high position fearing what he had on him personally and ordered a strike against him.

Karen Silkwood died under very suspicious circumstances. She had documents that described Kerr-McGee lax safety at a plutonium fuel plant, that went missing after her car was found with damage to rear in an ostensibly single car front end fatal accident, along with a cocktail of illegal drugs. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karen_Silkwood

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