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Epic says Apple will reinstate developer account

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Re: Epic says Apple will reinstate developer account

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> Private businesses can refuse service to anyone for any reason. There are enough really obvious counterexamples to that statement that I wonder why you'd write it.

Like the ones they went into in the following sentence?

Hey now, they’d have to read all the way to the second paragraph to get to the nuance. You can’t expect people to read two paragraphs before starting to argue.

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They seem to maximizing the amount of face lost though. If you act like a bully, and then recede at the slightest resistance, you just come off looking like a fool.

This will all blow over in a week. But once the control is lost, it’s gone forever.

Apple is losing control though. No company should have this level of control over a market.

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You want to sell in their house, you gotta play by their rules. It’s that simple.

It's not their house. Someone bought an iPhone (not leased, bought, they own it now). Someone else made an app that that person wants to install on their iPhone (solely thanks to app developer's own marketing efforts). But Apple thinks it's appropriate to have their finger in the pie too.

Nobody bought the Apple SDKs or OS though and every app depends on them.

I get people are use to free, but plenty of companies license software for royalties that does a lot less.

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Apple's statement: “Following conversations with Epic, they have committed to follow the rules, including our DMA policies. As a result, Epic Sweden AB has been permitted to re-sign the developer agreement and accepted into the Apple Developer Program.” If you think the EU got their shit together in 2 days, you're day dreaming. Phil Schiller invited Epic to make assurances that they'd follow the terms of the agreemen…

All sides are marketing and trying to maintain an image. It's up to you to figure out what's actually happening without bias.

Epic led with an ad campaign while Apple stayed silent.

Then did it again by publishing their correspondence with Apple.

Tell me more.

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Apple's statement: “Following conversations with Epic, they have committed to follow the rules, including our DMA policies. As a result, Epic Sweden AB has been permitted to re-sign the developer agreement and accepted into the Apple Developer Program.” If you think the EU got their shit together in 2 days, you're day dreaming. Phil Schiller invited Epic to make assurances that they'd follow the terms of the agreemen…

Breton posted on X that his team would look into this case with high priority yesterday. Apple noticed they are about to get a beating and decided to handle this case proactively before they get fined and regulated even stronger

Yep I'm aware of the tweet.

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It's entirely possible that Apple's legal team advised the executives of this outcome and more generally the risks involved with the Epic ban move, but were ignored as a strategic decision.

I doubt its had any impact at all to iphone sales or their service subscriptions.

Their stock took a major hit.

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This is just so weird to watch. Apple is literally throwing a tantrum on a continent-wide stage. Like, it's one attempt at escalation after another, and they keep losing (either their legal fights, or their nerve) and having to reverse course. Like, there's no strategy at all here? Just keep swinging and hope you land a blow that breaks through the armor? This is how my 15 year old plays VR games.

I don't think there is a strategy, this is all theater so he has some pushback if investors file complaints or lawsuits during the next quarterly results meeting. They can't say that Tim Cook didn't do everything in his power to make them even *more* money. Since, ultimately, his duty as a CEO is to prioritize the financial wealth of shareholders. If he just complied with the EU then he'd be voted out by the board by…

I think the board and shareholders probably want them to avoid picking needless fights with the world's most powerful competition regulator in the week when its most powerful regulations went into effect.

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It is a double-edged sword. A right to refuse service is great when you have an unruly patron in a pub or restaurant that is ruining the evening for everybody else. But on the other side it is really easy for a company like Google to just kill your smaller company because they decided they do not want to allow you access to an account anymore.

> But on the other side it is really easy for a company like Google to just kill your smaller company because they decided they do not want to allow you access to an account anymore. It sounds like the problem isn't Google being able to refuse service, but instead that Google doing that has the power to kill your smaller company. No one company should be allowed to have the power to decide which companies live or die…

If you found a company that depends on Google APIs or products, that's a risk your company carries. I don't see why we need legislative intervention to mitigate such risks.

If I founded a company that specializes in manufacturing Pokemon toys under contract, and Nintendo (for whatever reason) pulls the contract, it's perfectly normal for the business to no longer be viable and to be liquidated.

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All sides are marketing and trying to maintain an image. It's up to you to figure out what's actually happening without bias.

Epic led with an ad campaign while Apple stayed silent. Then did it again by publishing their correspondence with Apple. Tell me more.

Yes, Epic "led". So what? Of course the one in the favorable position would like to minimize talk about anything that would disrupt the position.
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