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Post by Dalewyn »

tzs wrote: post #138
throwitaway222 wrote: post #122

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They stopped requiring road tests? Man, seems like that would cause a bunch of cybertrucks to drive into hotels or something.

I believe that most states require road tests to get your first license or to get a license if you have been unlicensed for a while but stopped requiring them for a renewal, at least if you've got a clean driving record. In at least some states this was based on data that showed that for people that had clean records the rate of road test failures was very low, and those were almost always due to test anxiety and the…

When I first got my driver's license in California, I had to do a test driving on the streets. The driving test also required driving on the freeway, but the examiner waived it. When I asked why, he said they waive all freeway driving because "it's too dangerous for the examiners". Sounds fair, if not legal.

I subsequently got my license.

When I moved to Oregon years later and re-applied for a license, a driving test was required but the DMV lady waived it. Why? Probably because the DMV was way out in the country and she was literally the only one working the office.

I subsequently got my license.

Freedom(tm) is great.

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Post by MattGaiser »

donmcronald wrote: post #133
itishappy wrote: post #33

My friend took an important law school exam (GRE or BAR, not sure which) in the past 2 years that was self administered, and she described her experience as "harrowing." The kernel level malware they installed to monitor the exam crashed her device 4 times during the exam. This was after she got it running on a secondary device because it wouldn't even start on her M1 MacBook Air. The software recorded her screen and…

That's crazy because I imagine cheating is trivial for those that want to do it. All you would need is a clean install, an HDMI splitter, and a tiny earbud stuffed in your ear. Then someone in an adjacent room can feed you answers. Even if they start making people put their ears up to the camera, that won't help much. Bone conducting headphones built into the arms of glasses will be virtually undetectable. Do you ban…

The problem is that the people who imagine cheating aren’t asking anyone technical how they would cheat. They mostly target imagined methods of cheating.

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Post by kmeisthax »

alistairSH wrote: post #219
itishappy wrote: post #33

My friend took an important law school exam (GRE or BAR, not sure which) in the past 2 years that was self administered, and she described her experience as "harrowing." The kernel level malware they installed to monitor the exam crashed her device 4 times during the exam. This was after she got it running on a secondary device because it wouldn't even start on her M1 MacBook Air. The software recorded her screen and…

And that same (or similar) test software doesn’t have any accessibility features for those with limited vision. And if you mention it to the company, they brush you off. They have the contract to gate-keep certain careers, what’re you going to do? Fucking slimeballs.

This sounds like a class action ADA lawsuit waiting to happen.

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Post by mksreddy »

meroes wrote: post #172
ecshafer wrote: post #168

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SAT And ACT and other standardized tests are the single best thing for giving poor students a leg up against rich students. We should be putting more emphasis on those tests. A poor but smart student can study for a test and do well on it, while they can not have continuous tutoring throughout school, paid grad students to do or proofread their homework, or extracurriculars that cost more than their parents pretax in…

It’s still paying in time for a poor person. The wealthy hire an SAT tutor for a hundred+ an hour to bump their kid’s scores up by a third for maybe 20 hours of work. The poor student will spend much more time. It’s like many things where the poor pay in time rather than money.

My kids wrote SAT. The only resource used was Khan Academy and previous test papers made available by college board.

You really don’t need any more resources for SAT.

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Post by balderdash »

chirau wrote: post #203
tssva wrote: post #173

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Many states no longer require a road test. Instead you take a state approved driving course and the instructor certifies you as meeting the state driving skill requirements. Most states with this system do have an option to still take a state administered driving test instead but most new drivers just take the course. My daughter got her license last August and we paid for the course. They didn’t teach her anything.…

For real? Which states are these?

Friend got his learners permit at 15 (that converted to a real license at 16) in DE no road test, just a drivers ed certificate

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Post by dandesim »

knightoffaith wrote: post #195
dandesim wrote: post #123

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That’s just straight false, or at least I have never seen any evidence showing a strong correlation. What has been shown is the negative advantage minorities, impoverished, ESL, disabled people have when taking the test and the advantages that wealthy people who can pay for tutors have.

> What has been shown is the negative advantage minorities, impoverished, ESL, disabled people have when taking the test and the advantages that wealthy people who can pay for tutors have. How does this contradict the GP? This doesn't necessarily seem inconsistent with standardized tests correlating better with academic success on its face. Because I would expect that such people tend to have not just worse standardi…

There is a difference between aptitude (intelligence) and academic success (grades). There is also the underlying issue of equity.

If someone with a high aptitude but low academic performance is put into a situation where they have more access to resources, they will perform better than someone with low aptitude that has the means to make up for it in their academic success.

For instance, the popular college prep hack is take the SAT three times. Study for a different section each time, and colleges will take your highest score of each section. That’s not possible without the moderate financial means to take the test multiple times.

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Post by bobthepanda »

nkrisc wrote: post #226
dylan604 wrote: post #63

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> I'm shocked at how laissez-faire we've gotten for college entrance exams, to the point that they stopped requiring SAT altogether, but are starting to bring it back. there's a lot of things they've done is head scratching. i loved when they changed the scores so that your result from 10 years prior suddenly become a lower result so people had to know when you took the test to properly weight the result. The laissez…

I’m sure it very much depends on locality, but I watched an elderly person backup over some cones and then drive out ahead of me with their new license. The road test also consisted of essentially going around the block a few times. I was 18 so there were no prerequisites. If you took the test and the evaluator gave you a pass, you got your license. Explains all the collisions I pass on the way to dropping the kids o…

There is also no testing or vision rechecking requirement, so there are just a lot of people on the roads who should probably have their license taken away.

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Post by tssva »

jcranmer wrote: post #137
testfoobar wrote: post #61

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Many kids have an IEP - an individualized education plan. https://www2.ed.gov/parents/needs/speced/iepguide/index.html They get extra time allocation to take tests - 50% more in most cases. The numbers I hear tossed around is that a substantial fraction (20% to 40%) of school kids in some of the elite public and private schools have IEPs. Clearly there are kids who need the extra time. But that many? ADHD is the reas…

> They get extra time allocation to take tests - 50% more in most cases. The numbers I hear tossed around is that a substantial fraction (20% to 40%) of school kids in some of the elite public and private schools have IEPs. Clearly there are kids who need the extra time. But that many? An IEP is a catch-all term for anything that requires special adjustment for a student. What the adjustment is varies depending on th…

My daughter has an IEP due to her dyslexia. She gets extra time on in class writing assignments and tests which have a writing component. So no extra time in general for her math or science tests. Although for science there are sometimes writing components for which she gets additional time. English, history, government, etc which are writing heavy she gets extra time. For several of her classes she is dual enrolled with a local college and we had to apply to the college to get accommodations for those classes. They were actually much more generous with the accommodations granted than her high school. The only one she takes advantage of is the increased time.

The College Board also granted her accommodations so she gets 50% longer on the SAT and AP tests. April will be her 1st attempt at the SAT. She has taken a few AP tests.

ADHD is not considered a specific learning disability so should not qualify someone for an IEP or accommodations from the College Board.

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Post by thsksbd »

tssva wrote: post #173
tzs wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I believe that most states require road tests to get your first license or to get a license if you have been unlicensed for a while but stopped requiring them for a renewal, at least if you've got a clean driving record. In at least some states this was based on data that showed that for people that had clean records the rate of road test failures was very low, and those were almost always due to test anxiety and the…

Many states no longer require a road test. Instead you take a state approved driving course and the instructor certifies you as meeting the state driving skill requirements. Most states with this system do have an option to still take a state administered driving test instead but most new drivers just take the course. My daughter got her license last August and we paid for the course. They didn’t teach her anything.…

Wow, I didnt know states did that.

In my state the motorcycle licensing works similarly in that you can skip the state test, however unlike what you described for cars, the course is excellent (standard MSF course). Also, the MSF does administer a (pretty tough) test.

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Post by fnordpiglet »

jobmeplease wrote: post #149
ghaff wrote: post #80

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Who is looking at your SAT score from 10 years ago?

I applied to Canonical a few months back and they made me write an essay describing my high school grades, extracurriculars, and test results. I've never had that experience in any other job app so it's pretty Canonical specific but it does happen.

That’s insane. I barely graduated high school, my extracurriculars were smoking pot and programming. Then I graduated summa cum laude at a top cs school and a very successful career doing pretty cutting edge stuff as IC and manager up to senior exec levels at FAANG and adjacents. Digging into someone’s high school career is frankly bizarre but convinces me to never consider working there and to stop using their products.
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