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Re: Kagi and Wolfram

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Post by sdo72 »

freediver wrote: post #213
sdo72 wrote: post #33

Why am I starting to see a lot of promotional statements within HN? Are there any bot or some army of manual labor around?

Kagi founder here. Also a long time HN user and as such I too share your concern that we get too much exposure here. I do not know what to say but that I am eternally grateful to HN, as it is what enabled Kagi's existance. We have no marketing budget and majority of our users come from HN, so I can confirm that the comments you see here are authentic.

Hi, I appreciate your response here. However, having no marketing budget and comments being authentic don't clear those Kagi related comments from being associated with Kagi.

Re: Kagi and Wolfram

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Post by bluish29 »

lannisterstark wrote: post #221

Anyone using their own searx-ng, the metasearch engine? Have you tried Kagi? How is it comparatively when it comes to quality of results given that with searx I can customize the engines and such.

I was relying on my own self hosted seaexNG before moving to kagi. I still have and use the instance from time to time. Using kagi is better and made my life easier. I stopped worrying about rate limited, bad UI and actually managing and following updates. It also did not solve the problem of ranking. Garbage results still showed. Kagi solved all of these problems and more and I didn't have to spend couple of hours per month to follow updates and manage my instance.

Re: Kagi and Wolfram

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Post by anymouse123456 »

dewbrite wrote: post #28

> To ensure result quality, we automatically downrank pages with advertising and tracking, which are often associated with low-quality or machine-generated content. That is one of the most compelling things I've ever heard about a search engine. How well does kagi work for niche "reddit queries" like "best waterproof midi synthesizers reddit"?

I've been on Kagi for some months now (six-ish?). Best subscription I carry.

I originally signed up purely out of spite for the SEO scam that is Pinterest (Kagi lets you blacklist domains), but have since been repeatedly pleased with other rankings.

I love that MDN tops the list for DOM ish searches and w3schools is not even in the results.

Using Kagi often makes me forget how awful the Internet can be.

Re: Kagi and Wolfram

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Post by bluish29 »

sdo72 wrote: post #241
freediver wrote: post #213

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Kagi founder here. Also a long time HN user and as such I too share your concern that we get too much exposure here. I do not know what to say but that I am eternally grateful to HN, as it is what enabled Kagi's existance. We have no marketing budget and majority of our users come from HN, so I can confirm that the comments you see here are authentic.

Hi, I appreciate your response here. However, having no marketing budget and comments being authentic don't clear those Kagi related comments from being associated with Kagi.

I would interpret "authentic" here to mean that they are coming from real and authentic HN users who happens to be kagi users. The intersection is probably high enough.

A lot of HNers would have very positive views and comments about any particular thing, which does not mean they are associated with them.

Re: Kagi and Wolfram

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Post by mediumsmart »

ChrisArchitect wrote: post #204
dewbrite wrote: post #28

> To ensure result quality, we automatically downrank pages with advertising and tracking, which are often associated with low-quality or machine-generated content. That is one of the most compelling things I've ever heard about a search engine. How well does kagi work for niche "reddit queries" like "best waterproof midi synthesizers reddit"?

you guys are living in a dreamworld. I'm totally fine with a site that has "tracking" like Google analytics to help content makers and businesses alike make decisions. And have visited many a site with valuable content that might have been tracking me at the same time. This eliminates tons of valuable content.

The valuable content is still available in the Google dreamworld for anyone not yet ready to take the red pill.

Re: Kagi and Wolfram

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Post by flexagoon »

throwup238 wrote: post #61
xaro wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I configured Reddit as a "Lense" (similar to what Kagi uses for things like searching across Forums, or news). With that, now I have a simple toggle at the top of Kagi which allows me to immediately turn a search into a Reddit search.

I did the same and added a custom bang so I can use it from the address bar directly (!r pointing at https://kagi.com/search?q=%s&l=8 where 8 is the lens id). Probably least a third of my queries are preceded by an !r now. A third of the rest are now question mark queries that activates their AI fast answer. It's like the google info box on steroids since it can answer any query and it works with lenses to restrict t…

By the way, you don't have to manually add a custom bang and point it to your lens id, you can configure a bang for the lens directly in the settings of your lens

Re: Kagi and Wolfram

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Post by flexagoon »

caycep wrote: post #162
nullstyle wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Mathematica is a commercial product: https://www.wolfram.com/mathematica/pricing/

Who uses Mathematica, in this age of python/Julia etc? The Grad student world seems to be captured by Matlab

Also, if you don't need to run Mathematica offline, their cloud version of it is completely free (with some storage limits that you're unlikely to exceed). It's actually a pretty cool product, but the pricing model is a mess.

Re: Kagi and Wolfram

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Post by flexagoon »

karaterobot wrote: post #193

Kagi has tried a few different AI solutions, and now this integration with a different search engine. I think what I want is just a redoubled focus on improving search results (not quick answers) while maintaining or improving confidentiality. If they announce that my monthly payments are going up, and I suspect it's because they're paying for partnerships with services I don't view as core to the product value that…

Don't forget that the standard plan of Kagi recently got infinitely cheaper, it used to be limited to 1000 searches a month and switched to pay-as-you-go afterwards, but now it has unlimited searches.

Re: Kagi and Wolfram

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Post by calvinmorrison »

dewbrite wrote: post #28

> To ensure result quality, we automatically downrank pages with advertising and tracking, which are often associated with low-quality or machine-generated content. That is one of the most compelling things I've ever heard about a search engine. How well does kagi work for niche "reddit queries" like "best waterproof midi synthesizers reddit"?

It's OK. One thing it does is rope "reddit" into the "Forums" Lens, which on face seems good but I search mostly for car stuff and forums are a trove there.

Feature request: block a domain?

"saab 900 power steering rack -reddit"

still returns a ton of reddit results.

Re: Kagi and Wolfram

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Post by aitchnyu »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #44
geoelectric wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m fairly sure Kagi reuses Google and Bing search results, then de-craps and applies your customized preferences to them. I’m not sure it even runs its own spider.

Kagi sends “anonymized API calls to traditional search indexes like Google, Yandex, Mojeek and Brave, specialized search engines like Marginalia, and sources of vertical information like Wolfram Alpha, Apple, Wikipedia, Open Meteo, Yelp, TripAdvisor and other APIs,” and also maintains its own “web index (internal name - Teclis) and news index (internal name - TinyGem)” [1]. [1] https://help.kagi.com/kagi/search-detai…

Umm, So Google and MS can leave Kagi high and dry if it eats into their revenue?
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