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Journalist casualties in the Israel-Gaza war

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Re: Journalist casualties in the Israel-Gaza war

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> Around 10% of Gaza's journalists have been killed versus 2.5% of healthcare workers. One possible explanation is that journalists have a much higher probability of being close to where the fighting is, than healthcare workers.

Quite a few died in their own homes. Worth mentioning the IDF know where everyone in Gaza lives.

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Re: Journalist casualties in the Israel-Gaza war

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That's a remarkably small number. It makes me think journalists weren't present in the warzone at all. Irrespective of which side you support, Hamas is notorious for colocating themselves among civilians. An elevated civilian death count, including journalists is to be expected. However, the numbers being THIS high in this short a time is alarming and tragic.

> An elevated civilian death count, including journalists is to be expected. Is it???

Yes? Use your basic reasoning. Hamas fights in civilian clothing, they hide in civilian buildings, they hide in hospitals. They use regular civilians as shields. This is not your average fight; Hamas hates their enemy more than they love their own country.

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I appreciate that this is on here and I hope we can collectively handle it. Tech isn't isolated from this situation, as difficult as it is to admit and talk about with civility and care. A US military software engineer even self immolated recently in protest of what's happening. I don't see what's happening in Gaza as being culturally particular to the specific identity groups involved here. It's a very human situati…

Strongly disagree. This platform for tech news should not become a place for political posts, nor even for posting regular news headlines. Yes we know that reddit sucks but stop trying to make hn into reddit. Also the community can't handle it, just look at the handful of comments we already have here.

Unfortunately, everything is politics and politics is inescapable. "Ignoring politics" is also a political action and a political statement.

Re: Journalist casualties in the Israel-Gaza war

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For context, a total of 69 journalists were killed in WWII, 63 in the Vietnam war both of which lasted several years. As of today March 6th 2024, the Gaza invasion has left 86 journalists dead in less than 4 months. That is an amazingly high percentage for the expected mean in a conflict. Sources: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/interactive/2024/israel... https://www.icij.org/inside-icij/2024/02/over-75-of-all-j…

That 69 figure cannot be remotely close to accurate. Millions of civilians died from mass bombing campaigns alone, which certainly killed many journalists working for local outlets in those cities!

Each atomic bomb on its own probably killed more than 69 journalists.

Re: Journalist casualties in the Israel-Gaza war

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What is striking about these casualties, is many of the reported deaths also include large numbers of family members of the deceased, killed at the same time.

So what is it then? The plausible deliberate targeting of the journalists mentioned? Or just, plain old indiscriminate bombing? Either ways, shame.

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The ICJ said no such thing. Read the ruling. It said something along the lines of the "rights of the Palestinian people to be protected from genocide and the rights of South Africa to seek this protection are plausible". The use of the word genocide in this context is just pure propaganda. There are plenty of conflicts with significantly higher human toil where this word is not used.

The ICJ did say that South Africa's accusation of genocide was plausible, which is also the reason they decided to proceed with the case. This is what a professor of international law has to say about the case: https://www.ejiltalk.org/speaking-the-law-plausibly-the-inte... And if over 30,000 dead Palestinians so far isn't enough for you, the intent is the central issue of genocide, though the Palestinian casualties…

It did not. Find me that language in the ruling. Some media said that, but not the ICJ. If the ICJ thought this was really plausible they would have ordered Israel to stop. They did not.

30,000 dead is way too much for me. Not for the Hamas apparently? For Israel going after all 40,000 Hamas combatants, is probably legitimate, as long as Hamas keeps fighting. I would so much prefer that all of the Israelis that have been killed and all of the Palestinians that have been killed still be alive.

Re: Journalist casualties in the Israel-Gaza war

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Are you suggesting Israel shoots journalists on sight? I get that Hamas is trying their best to muddy the waters, but that still doesn't seem like a reasonable response...

At the beginning of the war, Hamas combatants used that vest as a means of protection and to allow safe movement, which caused IDF snipers to pay extra attention to PRESS and most likely send them off. If you pay close attention to reports from Gaza, barely anyone is using a PRESS vest now (that's like holding an AK-47), beginning of the war everyone was using it.

> combatants used that (PRESS) vest as a means of protection

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Re: Journalist casualties in the Israel-Gaza war

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This has also been one of the deadliest wars for civilians in general. Also when you’re using such a loose definition of journalist obviously the deaths would be greater.

Are you saying this war has a higher civilian casualty ratio that other wars? Sadly history shows that civilians have been casualties of war at high rates compared to combatants. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian_casualty_ratio

I don't think they said that it was the highest, they just said "one of." From that list, 2:1 or 3:1 is certainly quite deadly.
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