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Re: Facing reality about the EU is a core requirement for good management

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Post by Aerroon »

Beretta_Vexee wrote: post #74

A common mistake is to think that the EU is limited to a few large economies (Germany, France, Italy, Spain, Holland), but this is not the case. Ensuring that a Croatian SME can win contracts with the French or Germans is one of the EU's priority objectives. This is how the EU has lifted millions of people out of poverty. This is a very tangible reality. It worked with East Germany, Spain, Poland, the Baltic States a…

When Bulgarian truckers started outcompeting French truckers the EU came up with new rules to shut that down. Requiring that the truck has to go back to the country the company is from every 2 months is ridiculous. Not the driver, the vehicle.

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Post by gryn »

Aerroon wrote: post #188
troupo wrote: post #61

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Nothing in the law requires those cookie banners. If you don't agree, you can quote to me the exact passage in the GDPR where it talks about cookies, banners, or browsers. Or you can read what Github has to say about this: https://github.blog/2020-12-17-no-cookie-for-you/

Can you tell that to these guys: https://www.europa.eu That website basically has an infinite budget and doesn't have to make a single cent. It is also for the group that should have the best understanding of the law. Yet they still give you the cookie popup.

has to disable ublock to see it. if you link the link and see what they do with them basically they use cookies for analytics, tracking/surveying site usage, user auth, dupral, moodle, and 3rd parties websites like youtube, google, facebook, etc.

why do you think a banner should not be in this case ? devs are lazy they aren't going to recreate all the service inhouse from scratch. I don't think the dev team has infinite budget either.

Re: Facing reality about the EU is a core requirement for good management

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Post by alecco »

7moritz7 wrote: post #138
alecco wrote: post #132

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Because left-right patterns from the US don't properly transfer to pluralist democracies like most in the EU as well as the federal politics. You need more nuance than a black-white view.

> Because left-right patterns from the US don't properly transfer to pluralist democracies like most in the EU

Perhaps you should check your own biases. The political spectrum comes from Europe. And I'm not American.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_spectrum#Historical_...

My point stands, this post adds nothing of value. Even as opinion is a very average socialist position we've heard many, many times.

Re: Facing reality about the EU is a core requirement for good management

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Post by guappa »

paulsutter wrote: post #48
mjburgess wrote: post #24

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It does seem they've mistaken the general sentiment towards government regulation in europe, which is typically, "more, better". Since we have so many consumer protections, much of how we end up engaging with the law around business practices is to our benefit . We're always aware we can raise bad business practices with an ombudsman (etc.). So our lived experience of government regulation is, in large part, positive…

Yes each time we see these cookie warnings, we admire a system that does so much to our benefit

There will eventually be a court case that will establish the DNT header as "no" and every website showing a popup will be in violation.

Actually most popups are already in violation since there needs to be a "no to all" option. Lots of them get fined, but there's just so many.

They should probably make the fine more like: "your domain goes down for 2 months" to be taken more seriously.

Re: Facing reality about the EU is a core requirement for good management

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Post by denton-scratch »

mousetree wrote: post #72
frizlab wrote: post #53

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I am European and hate all the regulations they’ve done so far. I know it’s a very rare pov, but for me all of these new legislations are terrible both for the consumers AND the small developers (which I am both). The ONLY people getting something are the somewhat big companies.

Which regulations do you feel are terrible for consumers and small developers?

GP told you: all of them.

Re: Facing reality about the EU is a core requirement for good management

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Post by wongarsu »

mpol wrote: post #121
Lutger wrote: post #46

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For some definition of left. The interesting thing about the article is that all this EU regulatory control over corporations is in fact deeply capitalistic and the very reason for its existence, and in the corporations interest. Which is not what most EU citizens would consider being on the left of the political spectrum. The idea is: we need regulation to shape the market where businesses can compete freely to the…

Now you are twisting words :) Capitalism is like a cancer, it will grow endlessly and will become feudalism. Socialism is the government applying rules to capitalism, so it doesn't get out of control. US policy of neo-liberalism is growing in Europe too, which is giving problems.

In the way Americans use these words, that honestly doesn't sound that far off. But that's a difference in definition similar to how liberal means different things in the US vs everywhere else.

In a European context I would have said that capitalism is companies being owned by private owners, communism is companies being owned by the state (which is supposed to be the extension of the collective will of all citizens, but rarely is). Socialism is whatever you want it to be, but generally includes the state supporting the unlucky, improving worker mobility through unemployment benefits, improving worker rights, supporting the young and the elderly, etc.

The US and EU have some differences in how they approach infrastructure, communication and transportation, but in nearly all other aspects they both bet fully on capitalism. The difference is that the US is very big on free unregulated markets within the US (though with some comically protectionist policies when there's the threat of competition from outside), while the EU is generally of the opinion that a regulated market is a better, more competitive environment with better outcomes.

Re: Facing reality about the EU is a core requirement for good management

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Post by bojan »

carlosjobim wrote: post #183
dkjaudyeqooe wrote: post #10

What amazes and perplexes me is that Apple thinks it can effectively play politics against the EU and that somehow their customers will back them in the face of the "consequences" Apple applies, which are pretty transparent and really quite amateurish (eg no more web apps for you!). As the article states, the first mistake Apple makes is thinking the EU is somehow like the US, but I can't see how any large proportion…

> EU citizens haven't been brainwashed into thinking that their government is their enemy, at least not to the same extent as the US. US citizens haven't been brainwashed into thinking that their government is their friend, at least not to the same extent as the EU. Honestly, if you talk to real people within the EU, you'll find that maybe half of them are mostly against the EU. Real life is not the same as HN, becau…

> Honestly, if you talk to real people within the EU, you'll find that maybe half of them are mostly against the EU.

The polling seems to be proving you wrong. Even in the UK the attitude towards the EU seems to be net positive.

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Post by throwaway290 »

bengale wrote: post #78
mjburgess wrote: post #24

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It does seem they've mistaken the general sentiment towards government regulation in europe, which is typically, "more, better". Since we have so many consumer protections, much of how we end up engaging with the law around business practices is to our benefit . We're always aware we can raise bad business practices with an ombudsman (etc.). So our lived experience of government regulation is, in large part, positive…

> the general sentiment towards government regulation in europe, which is typically, "more, better". I'd need to be convinced that's true. More regulation was a huge part of the successful campaign to get the UK out of the EU. It seems to get effusive praise in places like this, but in daily business, I generally hear the term GDPR spat. Is anyone expecting the incoming car regulation around beeps and bongs every tim…

I don't believe someone who says everyone in EU trusts the government. I have met a few people from EU and opinion split about the gov between "they are good guys" and "it's all a cabal that mostly tries to profit and only helps accidentally" (or worse) is maybe 60/40 at best.

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Post by smoldesu »

bengale wrote: post #102
llm_trw wrote: post #82

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I think there needs to be a word like "Paris syndrome" for when Americans meet actual Europeans and find out their politics. I've not met anyone who doesn't work in Brussels who thinks the EU isn't a dysfunctional pile of shit. The most spirited defense I've heard of it is "Well at least it keeps the Germans from invading again.". > The EU, it's better than genocide, by a bit - probably. -- Enthusiastic EU supporter,…

Great term. Sometimes, I think I must live on a different continent. It comes down to interest I think, for someone with a bunch of devices and online all the time it sounds great when the EU forces USBC through for example. Even though they don't generally have a good view of how ordinary people interpret it either. But at the far end something like the damage the common agricultural policy has for ordinary european…

> for someone with a bunch of devices and online all the time it sounds great when the EU forces USBC through for example

Have you never met an Apple user that carried around both Lightning and USB-C cables? This sort of sentiment confounds me, everyone I knew that had seen a Macbook was waiting on a USB-C iPhone for years. The only people I saw defending Lightning were Apple devotees online.

> There would never be any interest in how it impacts people.

You're free to use the extra comment space to explain it to us.

Re: Facing reality about the EU is a core requirement for good management

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Post by davidmurdoch »

paulsutter wrote: post #48
mjburgess wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It does seem they've mistaken the general sentiment towards government regulation in europe, which is typically, "more, better". Since we have so many consumer protections, much of how we end up engaging with the law around business practices is to our benefit . We're always aware we can raise bad business practices with an ombudsman (etc.). So our lived experience of government regulation is, in large part, positive…

Yes each time we see these cookie warnings, we admire a system that does so much to our benefit

I've learned to never attack the cookie banner here on HN. EU citizens seem to absolutely adore them here.
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