What happened with the ranking? Were there people who flagged all the stories, even the first (obviously newsworthy) one?
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Elon Musk sues Sam Altman, Greg Brockman, and OpenAI [pdf]
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Re: Elon Musk sues Sam Altman, Greg Brockman, and OpenAI [pdf]
#242In what capacity is Musk suing OpenAI? Musk may have co-founded the company, but then he left (to avoid any potential future conflict of interest with his role as CEO of Tesla, as Tesla was increasingly becoming an AI-intensive company). Is he a shareholder, if not what gives him any say in the future of the company?
The essential theory of the case is that OpenAI is misusing the funds Musk donated to it. reads prayer for relief > For a judicial determination that GPT-4 constitutes Artificial General Intelligence Okay, WTF? I'm going to have to read the entire complaint now.....
AGI as defined narrowly by OpenAI, Microsoft et al for their contracts, not what scientists would define it as .
While I don’t think we are close to AGI, we also have to acknowledge that term is forever changing meaning and goal posts , even 10 years back a Turing test would be considered sufficient, obviously not anymore .
The scientific, public understanding is changing constantly and a court would have difficulty in making a decision if there is no consensus , it only has to see if the contractual definition has been met
Re: Elon Musk sues Sam Altman, Greg Brockman, and OpenAI [pdf]
#243Wouldn't you have to prove damages in a lawsuit like this? What damages does Musk personally suffer if OpenAI has in fact broken their contract?
He doesn't have access to the GPT-4 source code and data because they decided to keep that proprietary.
They will probably try to unearth that in the discovery phase
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#244I don't even particularly like Musk, but I definitely despise M$ and their comic-book tier villanous shenanigans even more. Here's to hoping M$ gets fucked in this.
Re: Elon Musk sues Sam Altman, Greg Brockman, and OpenAI [pdf]
#245Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yeah, OpenAI basically grafted a for-profit entity onto the non-profit to bypass their entire mission. They’re now extremely closed AI, and are valued at $80+ billion. If I donated millions to them, I’d be furious.
It's almost like the guy behind an obvious grift like Worldcoin doesn't always work in good faith. What gives me even less sympathy for Altman is that he took OpenAI, whose mission was open AI, and turned it not only closed but then immediately started a world tour trying to weaponize fear-mongering to convince governments to effectively outlaw actually open AI.
Everything around it seems so shady.
The strangest thing to me is that the shadiness seems completely unnecessary, and really requires a very critical eye for anything associated with OpenAI. Google seems like the good guy in AI lol.0
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#246The defendant list is a bit bewildering. How usual is a corporate structure like this? Which, if any of these, is the nonprofit? OPENAI, INC., a corporation, OPENAI, L.P., a limited partnership, OPENAI, L.L.C., a limited liability company, OPENAI GP, L.L.C., a limited liability company, OPENAI OPCO, LLC, a limited liability company, OPENAI GLOBAL, LLC, a limited liability company, OAI CORPORATION, LLC, a limited liab…
Probably not common, since that aspect is part of the complaint. See "E. OpenAI’s Shifting Corporate Structure":
> 70. In the years following the announcement of the OpenAI, L.P., OpenAI’s corporate structure became increasingly complex.
Re: Elon Musk sues Sam Altman, Greg Brockman, and OpenAI [pdf]
#247Wouldn't you have to prove damages in a lawsuit like this? What damages does Musk personally suffer if OpenAI has in fact broken their contract?
It's worth reading the actual filing. It's very readable.
https://www.courthousenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/02/mu...
Re: Elon Musk sues Sam Altman, Greg Brockman, and OpenAI [pdf]
#248There is a lot in here but turning a non-profit into a for-profit definitely should be challenged. Otherwise why wouldn't everyone start as a non-profit, develop your IP, and then switch to 'for-profit' mode once you got something that works? You don't pay income taxes and your investors get write offs.
Re: Elon Musk sues Sam Altman, Greg Brockman, and OpenAI [pdf]
#249In what capacity is Musk suing OpenAI? Musk may have co-founded the company, but then he left (to avoid any potential future conflict of interest with his role as CEO of Tesla, as Tesla was increasingly becoming an AI-intensive company). Is he a shareholder, if not what gives him any say in the future of the company?
The filing is listed with all the reasons for the suit here: https://www.courthousenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/02/mu...
Re: Elon Musk sues Sam Altman, Greg Brockman, and OpenAI [pdf]
#250Earlier quoted context omitted.
A non-profit took his money and decided to be for profit and compete with the AI efforts of his own companies?
Yeah, OpenAI basically grafted a for-profit entity onto the non-profit to bypass their entire mission. They’re now extremely closed AI, and are valued at $80+ billion. If I donated millions to them, I’d be furious.
Nobody promised open sourced AI, despite the name.
Exhibit B, page 40, Altman to Musk email: "We'd have an ongoing conversation about what work should be open-sourced and what shouldn't."