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The case against caffeine

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Re: The case against caffeine

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Doesn't that make the first few days of fasting miserable? Have you tried progressively reducing the dosage for a few weeks in preparation?

Isn't subjecting oneself to feeling miserable kind of the point of religious fasting?

Not really, and you would be surprised that you feel more of a lightness, clarity and not miserable. It's the same for running, it's hard, but you don't feel miserable when doing it.

Re: The case against caffeine

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I quit Coffee one month each year (Ramadan while fasting). It has the effect of resetting my tolerance to caffeine. The first coffee after Ramandan feels more like Cocaine than Caffeine, almost like a superpower. However, I have to say, I don't see any difference in sleep quality with or without coffee. I just make sure only to drink coffee in the morning.

Doesn't that make the first few days of fasting miserable? Have you tried progressively reducing the dosage for a few weeks in preparation?

I do exactly that. Usually I quit one week before Ramadan. When quitting, it's common to get headaches. When quitting before Ramadan, you can alleviate it with a bit of Aspirin.

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What’s funny to me is the degree to which i perceive people’s denial that caffeine and coffee get you incredibly high. I’m not sure if this is what you exactly meant by euphoric, but I sometimes experience similar things, and I find it funny that “don’t talk to me until I’ve had my cup of coffee” is a negatively phrased statement of “I’m gonna get high on caffeine then I’ll enjoy this conversation more”- as if societ…

That's not an accurate characterization. Don't talk to me until I've had my coffee is as much a statement about morning low body temperature/thirst and morning ritual as it is about caffeine addiction. There's a reason that warm showers in the morning wake you up and invigorate you. Plus coffee is delicious.

for me it's because I need my withdrawal from addiction rectified first.

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Both of those studies on foods consider only people who already have Non-alcoholic fatty liver disease. One of them is about specifically sugary beverages, not whole fruit. Neither show “Sattvic food is not good for your health”.

> people who already have Non-alcoholic fatty liver disease. That is 25% of US adults. Fuits contain fructose (a poison) which is transformed to glucose by liver, because our bodies cannot use it directly. From this perspective, beverages that contain "high fructose corn syrup" like Coca Cola or many others are not distinguishable from fruits.

It’s about the ratio of glucose to fructose. More than 50% glucose seems ok. Most fruits have more glucose than fructose.

High corn fructose corn Sirup is used because it is cheap and fructose is 1.5 more sweet than glucose.

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If you're going to drink decaf, be sure to drink decaf prepared via the Swiss water method. It has the least additives, healthiest option and tastes pretty good.

Citation needed. It’s possible it may taste the best, but I am skeptical of your claim that it is the healthiest. One of the common methods of decaffeinating coffee uses supercritical CO2, which is in my view significantly less scary than the “proprietary green coffee extract” used by the Swiss Water process. I suspect neither is actually harmful. And neither is the chemical solvent based decaf, honestly. Not in leve…

Swiss Water's Green Coffee Extract is literally just the soluble elements found in a coffee bean, minus the caffeine. (This allows the caffeine from new batches to then migrate out of those beans and into the extract.)

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Citation needed. It’s possible it may taste the best, but I am skeptical of your claim that it is the healthiest. One of the common methods of decaffeinating coffee uses supercritical CO2, which is in my view significantly less scary than the “proprietary green coffee extract” used by the Swiss Water process. I suspect neither is actually harmful. And neither is the chemical solvent based decaf, honestly. Not in leve…

Swiss Water's Green Coffee Extract is literally just the soluble elements found in a coffee bean, minus the caffeine. (This allows the caffeine from new batches to then migrate out of those beans and into the extract.)

I know what it claims to be. At what ratios seem important to me, as not everything in coffee is the greatest for you.

Something that has literally nothing potentially bad for you in it (eg co2 process) seems like it would by necessity be healthier. Again I don’t think any of the processes are actually harmful. Even the scariest MC process (ie dichloromethane) seems perfectly safe to me.

Re: The case against caffeine

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I get exactly the same energy boost from drinking any sugary drink in the morning, be it coffee, tea, juice, chocomilk, whatever. I have a theory it's the same for most people, but when they were children, adults drank coffee and they were only allowed to drink chocomilk, that's why they grew up to love coffee :)

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Tangental but as someone who used to have sleep issues but has no intention of ditching coffee, taking Magnesium L-Threonate has utterly transformed the quality of my sleep. Used to wake up a ton in the night, take forever to get to sleep, etc. and now I sleep extremely well and if I'm up in the night it doesn't take me long to get back to sleep.

Is it any better than magnesium citrate?

The sales pitch the manufacturers give is that L-Threonate is better at getting through the blood/brain barrier so it is more effective for stuff like sleep. I do notice a difference between that and when I just take Magnesium Chloride but I haven't tried citrate so I don't know.

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You're not going to suggest that different people have different baseline biochemistry and would benefit from different things in different ways? No! That's not allowed! All health advice must fit all people, and people who don't fit the health advice shouldn't be allowed to complain about it. /sarcasm, but I've seen serious versions of this argument

I keep seeing versions of the argument that we’re all unique snowflakes and so all science is bad and all advice is untrustworthy bs. Usually the argument feels more like a variation on ‘you’re not the boss of me’ than a serious discussion of the science. This feels especially common to me when discussing diets; people seem to get pretty defensive whenever some advice or outcome has any way of being interpreted as th…

> I keep seeing versions of the argument that we’re all unique snowflakes and so all science is bad and all advice is untrustworthy bs.

I keep seeing people take statements that are valid within reason to the extreme.

In broad strokes, most things about humans are true, but there is certainly nuance and variation between people. Probably because we don't fully understand the things we think we do.

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Yeah, I have the same feeling about ADHD. I would like to go decaf, I really do. Like higher blood pressure is already enough reason for me for quitting it. But when I don't drink caffeine, I cannot focus on anything anymore. Now I haven't been tested for ADHD so I don't have access to real ADHD meds. But those come with side effects as well, so I might just stay with caffeine.

Did you quit long enough that you got through the withdrawal? Caffeine withdrawal is pretty bad, and you'll probably have trouble thinking. The first time I quit cold turkey, I felt dumb. Couldn't think clearly or focus until I got past it.

How long did it take for you to get past it? TBH I was surprised how bad it is. The first three days I could barely stay awake. No headache though. I managed to do 10 days before giving up. Not sure if that is enough to fully get over it.
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