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Re: Spotube: Open-source Spotify-Youtube client

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Post by latentcall »

swozey wrote: post #220
ekianjo wrote: post #204

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I write software. I want to get paid too, right? Why shouldn't they? How about the Spotify client being crap? Can't believe this is the top comment on HN.

What does Spotify being crap have to do with a software engineer or musician being paid for their work? You think they shouldn't be paid because you don't like the company they work for?

Quite a lot actually. If the software engineers write an app that’s a bloated buggy mess that inconveniences people, some people will look for other ways to listen to the music they want to hear.

For musicians, they have other avenues (arguably better anyhow) such as Bandcamp. I’ve bought tons of vinyl albums, tapes, and even just digital releases from there.

Re: Spotube: Open-source Spotify-Youtube client

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Post by paulcole »

someotherperson wrote: post #196
swozey wrote: post #179

The lengths that literal engineers will go to to not have to pay $10/mo for music or $3 to rent a movie in 4k immediately. Can't believe I have adult friends who make 70-300k and they still pirate based on money, not quality/directors-cuts/anti-cheats, etc. I quit pirating when I got a real job and could afford to pay developers and movie teams for their effort. I write software. I want to get paid too, right? Why sh…

Piracy is largely a convenience issue, not just a financial issue. When Netflix's streaming platform rolled around people were largely happy to stop pirating, when Netflix's catalog fragmented across two dozen different services that forbid account sharing then piracy became a thing again for many people who stopped pirating. I had a Paramount+ subscription (alongside Disney, Netflix, Amazon, Apple TV) and wanted to…

What was the TV show?

Re: Spotube: Open-source Spotify-Youtube client

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Post by jwagenet »

crazygringo wrote: post #190
richrichardsson wrote: post #131

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> Starting in early 2024, tracks must have reached at least 1,000 streams in the previous 12 months in order to generate recorded royalties. This will take my Spotify income from pitiful to non-existent. Fuck Spotify.

Spotify pays ~$0.004/stream. 1,000 streams is $4.00. That's a coffee. Lots of services for creators have minimum payouts. Google AdSense won't pay you until you reach $100 . Patreon has a $10 minimum payout using PayPal. A threshold of just $4 is actually very much on the low side. I genuinely don't understand how this is something to get upset over. It's comparable to what an artist used to make in royalties from a…

Yea, I don’t get it either. This makes sense as a spam reduction move. If an emerging artist wants to make money, you would probably be more successful performing live until you boost your numbers significantly.

Re: Spotube: Open-source Spotify-Youtube client

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Post by mtlmtlmtlmtl »

anotheryou wrote: post #77
thaumasiotes wrote: post #54

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Is there a difference in audio quality between Spotify and YouTube?

yes, I think so. And youtube is mixed quality, especially for older uploads. Newer youtubes are "opus (251)", which I think is 128kbps 48KHz Opus (WebM standard). - Spotify at least used to be ogg vorbis and claims to be "320kbit/s [mp3] equivalent" I think the 128kps Opus is still considered quite lossy¹ and 320kpbit/s mp3s I know I can hear the difference to wav on some tracks in a blind test, but generally don't f…

Even disregarding which codec Youtube uses, there's also the question of what codec was uploaded(unless it's an official upload), which in many cases was probably a lossy codec in the first place. So often you're listening to some lossy codec, reencoded to another lossy codec.

Re: Spotube: Open-source Spotify-Youtube client

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Post by junon »

swozey wrote: post #179

The lengths that literal engineers will go to to not have to pay $10/mo for music or $3 to rent a movie in 4k immediately. Can't believe I have adult friends who make 70-300k and they still pirate based on money, not quality/directors-cuts/anti-cheats, etc. I quit pirating when I got a real job and could afford to pay developers and movie teams for their effort. I write software. I want to get paid too, right? Why sh…

Living in Germany, but I'm an american. Signed up for Crunchy Roll. Most the shows my friends are recommending are region locked. The remaining ones are mostly German-dubbed only, with no subtitles. Most don't have original Japanese either.

Only a handful I want to watch actually have subs or English dubs.

It's not like I don't want to pay for this stuff but when it's a huge conditional tree of if I'm going to have a good experience, with no other (non-pirate alternative), what do you do?

Meanwhile, Spotify doesn't have this issue. Happily pay for that, despite not being a fan of how the company operates.

Re: Spotube: Open-source Spotify-Youtube client

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Post by swozey »

latentcall wrote: post #241
swozey wrote: post #220

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What does Spotify being crap have to do with a software engineer or musician being paid for their work? You think they shouldn't be paid because you don't like the company they work for?

Quite a lot actually. If the software engineers write an app that’s a bloated buggy mess that inconveniences people, some people will look for other ways to listen to the music they want to hear. For musicians, they have other avenues (arguably better anyhow) such as Bandcamp. I’ve bought tons of vinyl albums, tapes, and even just digital releases from there.

Your first point is incredibly subjective. I love the spotify app aside from the fact they keep gutting its features. I've used almost every other music app in testing to potentially leave spotify. I've been a spotify member for 16 years and can't think of a single time I thought it was bloated.

The spotify carplay/android apps absolutely DESTROY the other car apps.

I hated every single other app. Quboz, Tidal, Apple, YT, Amazon.. Most of them were so featureless I felt like I was using Winamp. But some people do love that.

Re: Spotube: Open-source Spotify-Youtube client

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Post by chx »

jvanderbot wrote: post #229
someotherperson wrote: post #196

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Piracy is largely a convenience issue, not just a financial issue. When Netflix's streaming platform rolled around people were largely happy to stop pirating, when Netflix's catalog fragmented across two dozen different services that forbid account sharing then piracy became a thing again for many people who stopped pirating. I had a Paramount+ subscription (alongside Disney, Netflix, Amazon, Apple TV) and wanted to…

This has not been my 99% experience. I'm sure one or two of those stories are handy to have to justify a lifetime of unnecessary theft, but the bottom line for me is that I don't mind playing by their system on principle. This is how the artists asked us to do it, by selling their rights to distributors. Similarly with Spotify. I'd love to pay more to artists, I do go buy songs when I love them, and I'm happy to pay…

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Re: Spotube: Open-source Spotify-Youtube client

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Post by mattgreenrocks »

swozey wrote: post #179

The lengths that literal engineers will go to to not have to pay $10/mo for music or $3 to rent a movie in 4k immediately. Can't believe I have adult friends who make 70-300k and they still pirate based on money, not quality/directors-cuts/anti-cheats, etc. I quit pirating when I got a real job and could afford to pay developers and movie teams for their effort. I write software. I want to get paid too, right? Why sh…

I'm tempted to try if only because they might be more focused on music playback (the core value proposition of Spotify) than Spotify is at this point.

Limitations of team size can be a blessing.

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