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Post by jltsiren »

zone411 wrote: post #178
jltsiren wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When the iPhone came out, people criticized it for the lack of keyboard and 3G. The price was similar to other premium phones of the time. VR has always been about to revolutionize computing in the next n years. The technology has been available for decades, but so far nobody has been able to find good mainstream use cases for it.

How has the technology been available for decades? There are many requirements for useful headsets beyond just strapping a low-resolution screen to each eye. Even the Vision Pro at $3500+ isn't quite there yet: it's heavy, external battery with a short battery life, has a limited field of view.

The technology to make VR/AR useful for specialized applications has been available for decades. For example, South African fighter pilots had AR sights in the 70s, and the Soviets copied the idea in the 80s. The technology has improved over the decades, but so far nobody has found good mainstream uses for it.

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Post by rkuykendall-com »

zarzavat wrote: post #71
nerdjon wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The iPad and the iPhone were heavily criticized when they came out. While both were pushing some good tech, they were also going against the general wisdom of what made a product in each category.

The things that the iPhone was criticised for - no 3G was the biggest one - were easily fixed in the next iteration. The problems with the vision pro seem more fundamental, primarily cost. Apple really needs to sell it with zero margin or as a loss leader to build marketshare because $3000 is absurd and will really damage its branding "weird face hugger for rich people"

The thing that the iPhone was most criticized for has never changed: no keyboard.

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Post by psunavy03 »

bryanlarsen wrote: post #113
tiffanyh wrote: post #36

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> When the iPad was introduced, everyone was shocked by the very low price and the sleek form factor compared to previous Windows tablet devices. I remember history a bit differently. I recall lots of people dismissing the iPad as " just a big iPod Touch".

The iPod Touch was a highly successful product; if that was supposed to be a dismissal it wasn't a very effective one.

It was a dismissal from people who didn't see the utility of a parallel product that was just bigger. Just because someone sees the utility of a small SUV doesn't mean they will automatically want to also buy an F-150.

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Post by dpkonofa »

Fnoord wrote: post #226
dpkonofa wrote: post #212

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No mainstream phone launched with Fennec. Safari on iPhone was a game changer when everyone else was used to WAP browsing which was all scaled down, text-based web pages.

Of course, but that doesn't mean Fennec wasn't miles ahead. I mean, the original iPhone didn't even have multitouch zoom. Innovation vs invention. People have rose-tinted glasses about the past. They forget the bad, only remember the good.

Sorry but you're wrong. It doesn't matter if Fennec was miles ahead if there was no device to use it on (unless you knew the magic incantations to get it working on one) and the original iPhone did have multitouch zoom too. Jobs demoed it on-stage.

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Post by safeimp »

gabea wrote: post #38

Apple says the Vision's device weight is 600–650 grams and Meta says its Quest 3 is 515 grams. The Vision is between 85-135 grams heavier despite there not being a battery on the part that you wear. Anecdotally and in my experience, there have been many complaints about fatigue for the Quest, and I wonder if Apple will be able to get away with more premium materials in the future versions. It seems like there will be…

The additional weight comes from the front display.

The reports regarding fatigue are consistently related to users wearing only the band, when they add the additional strap that goes directly over the head it's fine. Typical Apple leading with form over function. It ships with the additional strap at least so that should alleviate it for most people. Quest 3 has a similar additional band which helps as well.

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Post by Friarchuck »

I’ve said this to anyone I speak to about Vision Pro, which is that the current iteration appears to me to be most similar to the gold Apple Watches that were released with the first version. These were mocked in the media but nevertheless made buzz about the Apple Watch and brought about general awareness of the product. The first Apple Watches were overall pretty incomplete products, especially in comparison to modern ones. If the Vision Pro follows the same trajectory, it will likely do reasonably well as future iterations get better community support, first party features, better form factor, and cheaper price point. Besides smart phones, Apple usually isn’t the first to do something, but when they do it, they do it well. I’m excited for roughly the 3rd gen of the Vision Pro, but will be interestedly following news of it.

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Post by nerdjon »

globular-toast wrote: post #214
nerdjon wrote: post #205

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Same reason I don't just have an ultra widescreen monitor on my desk and I have 3 monitors instead. Separate monitors allows for better organization of different app windows than a single monitor, especially with different spaces on different monitors. I can keep my main screen on whatever it is I am working on while switching to a different space on another monitor to check email or teams for example. Or just being…

Hmm... so you use multiple monitors to emulate a tiling window manager, but with far less flexibility (you can't divide your workspace into four equal parts, for example).

I would say I use it to augment what already exists.

I don't really want my workspace divided into equal parts, I have my primary monitor which is my largest monitor in the middle. A slightly smaller (and lower resolution) monitor to the left for research, teams, etc. And then I have a vertical monitor to the right for things that I need the extra space for.

I have more flexibility to setup my workspace exactly how I want, sure I can't change it later but I don't need too. It does what I need it to do since I set it up that way.

I tried driving an ultra wide screen monitor at one point and it was probably my biggest regret of a purchase, and I have made some stupid purchases. It sells you on a more flexible ideal that just isn't the reality.

If I want to switch context on one of my screens while keeping my main screen where it is (which I do most of the time) I just move my mouse over and swipe to another space. No fussing with widows being over each other or making sure that the OS somehow knows that I only want to move part of my screen.

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Post by [deleted] »

tiffanyh wrote: post #36
pavlov wrote: post #9

The last time Apple introduced a new general purpose computing device was the iPad, 14 years ago. This one just doesn’t feel as big. When the iPad was introduced, everyone was shocked by the very low price and the sleek form factor compared to previous Windows tablet devices. Those are exactly the weak points of the Vision Pro: it’s very expensive and very heavy, according to reports. The hands-on sessions that Apple…

> When the iPad was introduced, everyone was shocked by the very low price and the sleek form factor compared to previous Windows tablet devices. I remember history a bit differently. I recall lots of people dismissing the iPad as " just a big iPod Touch".

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Post by joshspankit »

Friarchuck wrote: post #246

I’ve said this to anyone I speak to about Vision Pro, which is that the current iteration appears to me to be most similar to the gold Apple Watches that were released with the first version. These were mocked in the media but nevertheless made buzz about the Apple Watch and brought about general awareness of the product. The first Apple Watches were overall pretty incomplete products, especially in comparison to mod…

This has been a reliable pattern, and why most people typically say wait for version 2 of any Apple product (and feature if we’re being honest).

I will say though, as much as it doesn’t make financial sense, I have been a part of some really rewarding experiences that were only possible while having new Apple products day 1.

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Post by prismatix »

LeonM wrote: post #35

> Can I buy Apple Vision Pro in the U.S. and take it back to my country/region? > Apple Vision Pro is only available for sale in the U.S and is designed for customers in the U.S. to use at home, at work, and while traveling. We look forward to bringing Apple Vision Pro to more countries later this year. So, why aren't they answering their own question here? Feels like they are dodging the answer. What happens when I…

Straight from the website:

"Apple Vision Pro is great for travel and when U.S. customers travel abroad, the experience will remain consistent. That means all of their apps and content will remain accessible while traveling, so they can use apps and enjoy music, TV, and movies."

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