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Post by geodel »

twisteriffic wrote: post #164
nostrademons wrote: post #68

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This description actually makes me feel like the metaphor is more apt. The dinosaurs went down because they were large, complex lifeforms that required a vibrant, complex ecosystem to support them. Amidst a fundamental shift to that ecosystem, large complex organisms were the first to go down. This is a general pattern - complex systems are always the first to collapse when there's a shift in the ecosystem, because t…

Those public institutions are being _made_ to fail right now. Purposefully. Not by unthinking forces of nature but by conscious effort.

Right, it is always that vast right wing conspiracy.

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Post by jpc0 »

stevage wrote: post #80
alimbada wrote: post #54

> Use Chrome for Google stuff: Maps, Calendar, Docs, Translate I don't see any good reason to stick to Chrome for these. I've been using them without issue via Firefox for years. I used to see warnings on some of those products that " works best with Google Chrome" when using Firefox but those have all disappeared now and even when they did have those warnings I don't remember experiencing any major issues.

Yeah there is nothing that doesn't work fine on FF. Sometimes I find that Dev tools works a bit better on chrome, so I use that for a while. But not consistently.

YouTube and Google Drive large file uploads sorted? Also google meet no longer randomly fail to load?

If so I will be very excited since I want off of Chrome but for work it was broken last time I check and that was like early December.

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Post by sneed_chucker »

Multicomp wrote: post #216
Chathamization wrote: post #124

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That's the impression I have. I remember a little over a decade ago when the population at large was completely hyped about all of the world changing technology we were going to see coming from the moonshots at Google X. The excitement over Google Glass, the mystery over the Google barges. Eventually, people started wondering when these hyped up products in development were going to actually become products[1]. Not i…

> People like to say, "But those people don't even create anything, they're just taking credit for other people's work!" But just letting smart people gather and work on pet projects doesn't seem to work particularly well either. Maybe having a headstrong product oriented person upstairs is useful/necessary. I mean, isn't that what Bell Labs basically was? Put smart people in a supportive playground and harvest the c…

Don't think the Bell Labs people were pulling Google tier TC.

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Post by Apocryphon »

throwawayqqq11 wrote: post #154
_bohm wrote: post #67

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> cultural marxists I think maybe you mean just "Marxists". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_Marxism_conspiracy_th... To your question, I do think the term is becoming heavily watered down as I see it being used frequently by people who clearly lack the context on Marxist thought to be able to use it with it's original meaning. More often, when people use the term, I infer the sentiment that the "capitalism" we…

You think, you can reach people that speak of "cultural marxism" with wikipedia? I dont and i dont know an alternative since cognitive biases slowly take away the ability to freely reason about contradicting statements; their ability to reason in general.

Well, the OP seems to know a few lofty theorists and cites Hegel, yet resorts to the inflammatory meaningless epithet, so their post is all over the place. No level of depth is easily gleaned from the post; it is one of contrasts. Whatta dialectic.

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Post by DeathArrow »

acdha wrote: post #123
DeathArrow wrote: post #92

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>I have a different theory about the cause of the decline. What decline are you talking about? They have hundreds of billions revenue and climbing.

What successful product have they launched since 2008, when they embraced DoubleClick’s management culture? Ads bring in a lot of revenue, scaling with the general internet-using population growth, but they also seem to have made Google’s management incapable of thinking about products which are not immediately, wildly successful at selling tons of ads or harvesting data for ad targeting. It’s fortunate that they’ve…

That is from an user perspective. From a shareholder perspective they are doing just fine.

Yes, from an user point of view, Google sucks. But it's making money. Probably it's hard for a company to achieve behemoth status and still do nice things.

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Post by whateveracct »

Roark66 wrote: post #156
nostrademons wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This description actually makes me feel like the metaphor is more apt. The dinosaurs went down because they were large, complex lifeforms that required a vibrant, complex ecosystem to support them. Amidst a fundamental shift to that ecosystem, large complex organisms were the first to go down. This is a general pattern - complex systems are always the first to collapse when there's a shift in the ecosystem, because t…

>As for what will take them down - all large institutions are failing right now. The public education system. The health care system. The government. The mass media. The immigration system, and general idea of national borders. The zoning / building code / housing system. Childcare. Wouldn't surprise me if we see the financial system, currency, and military go down next. The trigger is part climate change, part demog…

> Periods of boom and bust are a feature of our financial system, I'm not seeing anything unusual.

We had a decade+ of boom boom boom and the moment the economy dips for a couple years, people start freaking out. Some years, things are more expensive and life is harder. Some years, it's easier. That's life. And that's the economy.

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Post by Apocryphon »

dmix wrote: post #62
jdub wrote: post #48

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You question the phrase "late stage capitalists" and use the phrase "cultural marxists"? Shoo.

Meme words attract other meme words. On average people's brains tend to operate on simple reductive trends, things get grouped with over simplified patterns. You can fight it but they'll just express the same ideas in double speak if you make it a no no phrase. I wouldn't use it personally but like what OP is saying, it used to he "neoliberal" then that became boring/overused so they invented "late stage capitalism"…

It’s not a no-no phrase because it’s taboo; it’s a virtue signifier that denotes the user is a meme-parroting, trend-following, partisan rube. It’s gauche.

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Post by spintin »

skeeter2020 wrote: post #233
spintin wrote: post #142

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be sure to post again when you next emerge from you backyard bunker

"If we are going to be destroyed by an atomic bomb, let that bomb when it comes find us doing sensible and human things — praying, working, teaching, reading, listening to music, bathing the children, playing tennis, chatting to our friends over a pint and a game of darts — not huddled together like frightened sheep and thinking about bombs. They might break our bodies (a microbe can do that) but they need not dominate our minds." - C.S. Lewis

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Post by scythmic_waves »

ericyd wrote: post #220

I really don't understand people who throw their arms up in exasperation and wonder what alternatives exist to Google (or other big tech) products. It's takes a little dedication because it's not as easy as using a conglomerate, but there are a bunch of easy and stable alternatives to core Google products just a... ahem ... internet search away.

My personal exasperation is less about being unable to find alternatives (e.g. [1]). It's more that those alternatives aren't 1) as good, 2) free, or 3) part of the same platform.

And even if I use an alternative, my friends, family, and workplace do not. So I'm still fighting the use of Google products after I stop using them.

[1]: https://www.reddit.com/r/privacy/wiki/de-google

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Post by azemetre »

MrPatan wrote: post #167
Chathamization wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's the impression I have. I remember a little over a decade ago when the population at large was completely hyped about all of the world changing technology we were going to see coming from the moonshots at Google X. The excitement over Google Glass, the mystery over the Google barges. Eventually, people started wondering when these hyped up products in development were going to actually become products[1]. Not i…

The market, made up of a lot of people, seems to think the richest man in the world is pretty valuable. A subset of people around here don't think that way. Why? I have my own opinion, not very flattering.

Care to share your opinion? I’m curious.
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