It seems like they're trying to pass off the layoffs as with cause so they can avoid unemployment, severance and other legal requirements that will vary by state.
Cloudflare employee posts layoff call with HR and goes viral [video]
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#242Uploading a private conversation with HR to TikTok surely isn't going to help her job hunting. Prospective employers might view such behavior as a red flag... It might even be illegal given that the HR people are likely located in California, a "two-party consent" state.
It's really good that some are ready to do what is right instead of just bending over.
Well, if I have to hire one important account executive for my team, would I consider her? No.
Not only did she post it on social media, but it revealed that she made no sales (her fault or not).
But I guess this is Gen Z for you.
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#243What a strange fucking world we're building. Also if her manager has been giving her good feedback, then this is just wrong. How would you supposed to know you're not meeting expectation if you're not getting appropriate feedback. If this is all true, and I there is no reason to believe it isn't, then these companies are just scum. The US needs better workplace protection laws. Take them to court.
She could have been doing a good job but others are doing a better job?
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#244Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is amazing video for making a legal case against Cloudflare. Cloudflare took a stupid, unnecessary risk here by trying to put this on performance when they haven't documented it.
What case? At will employment is a thing. You can terminate people with absolutely no reason if you want, most of the time.
Rules for layoffs vary greatly from state to state.
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#245Earlier quoted context omitted.
> and b) a concrete mechanism for prioritising roles for elimination that should feel fair in some way, rather than an opaque "bad performance" reason that does not correlate with the employee's experience. The employee admits having closed zero sales. It doesn't get much more objective than that. They're also relatively new to the company. Unions tend to prioritize tenure over performance anyway, so their relative n…
> The employee admits having closed zero sales. You clearly have no experience in sales--especially enterprise sales. 1) No responsible sales organization is going to let a brand new hire alone with a client under 6 months. 2) You aren't selling shit to enterprise from Mid-November until after the first week of January. 3) She barely had a single quarter to get some company to add her to a budget and close a sale. No…
Do you think it's impossible to fire a sales person for performance reasons in under 6 months then?
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#246Earlier quoted context omitted.
I would say so. This video is a perfect demonstration of America's "at-will employment" culture. It's extremely asymmetrical, too. Companies can fire you at any moment, for any reason (with or without cause!)... yet it is considered rude for employees to not provide ample notice when deciding to voluntarily quit.
> It's extremely asymmetrical, too. I’ve lived a very different culture than you in the U.S. - to the degree I’m surprised to see you express this sentiment. In days of yore, people gave notice. But then a meme policy of “don’t poison the well” did the rounds. Roughly, the philosophy went: when someone is leaving they can only do harm; they are leaving, they have a convincing reason for leaving, and you don’t want th…
That's horrible and very different from what I experienced in Switzerland.
It's a concept in Swiss law that obligations are symmetrical, and the periods are quite long (three months, and not only for employment, but for other contracts as well, like renting).
If you are dismissed on the spot, you'll get three months of pay. On the other hand, if you give or are given notice, you are sometimes expected to continue work. This happened to me ten years ago. My employer expected me to explain to my coworkers how some things work during that time.
Looking back even I found that a bit strange because I understand the thing with doing only harm when someone is leaving. For example by leaving backdoors?
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#247I have personal wiki pages for companies, where I record things like interesting HN posts about them, notes about their products, and a log of recruiting interactions. All on one page. Were I to pull up this company's wiki page while talking with a recruiter, this video is like, on a first date, someone being rude to the waiter, while they smile at you. Strong signal about what they truly are. In this case, a stereot…
Thoughts about publishing it? Anonymously via GH?
Nope, the personal notes are necessarily personal. For example, confidential communications with recruiters. If I had to distinguish personal from public somehow in this, it would be more work, and decrease the utility to me.
Also, most of it wouldn't be useful to anyone but me.
Maybe doing personal wiki/notes like this is best thought of as an exercise for the person doing it. Rather than thinking of the artifact of that exercise as "content".
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#248Takeaway seems to be if you receive an invite from a rando HR person, decline that meeting. Edit: Also PR speak is one of the most unbecoming things I've heard in my life. I know there's HR people here in this thread, so to them: Try to at least act like your human.
Maybe if you combine that approach with hiding under your desk when anyone walks by, it will be literally impossible to fire you.
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#2495k likes on tiktok is nothing
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#250This is why we need unions. Layoffs are unfortunately, sometimes, necessary. But when they happen, it's important that the right people are chosen, for the right reasons (whether that's performance based, voluntary, protecting certain groups, ensuring fairness, etc). That requires collective bargaining by representatives who are able to assess and change the criteria, and who are able to negotiate for better outcomes…
The person in this TikTok admits to having closed zero sales. They're also one of the most junior people on the team (4.5 months). They would be among the first to go under union rules, too. Unions are often worse at prioritizing things like tenure over performance, if anything. But even under those rules she was one of the most junior people. There is basically no situation where a union would have prioritized this…
The anti-union pro “I can bargain for myself” nonsense sure came fast.