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Re: ChatGPT for Teams

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Could a moderator change the "Teams" in the title to lowercase (as it is in the article)? Capitalizing Teams misleadingly implies it's regarding Microsoft's chat platform.

I disagree. We shouldn't assume a basic sentence capitalised word refers to a product. If a reference to a product is intended, we should clarify that association some other way; i.e. MS Teams.

>We shouldn't assume a basic sentence capitalised word refers to a product.

What's happening is that lowercase "sentence case" titles have become more popular and normalized so repeated exposure to that style can cause a subconscious heuristic of "Capitalized letter signifies a Brand Name or Proper Noun". You can try to advise people not to assume that but it doesn't change the type of "sentence case" titles people are now repeatedly exposed to.

The New York Times still uses "Title Case" but a lot of other newspapers switched to lowercase sentence case. Washington Post switched in 2009. And Los Angeles Times, The Boston Globe, the Chicago Tribune, the San Francisco Chronicle, Philadelphia Inquirer, etc all followed.

Other popular websites with lowercase titles include Vox, ArsTechnica, TechCrunch, etc.

Re: ChatGPT for Teams

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post #197
post #142

Could a moderator change the "Teams" in the title to lowercase (as it is in the article)? Capitalizing Teams misleadingly implies it's regarding Microsoft's chat platform.

I disagree. We shouldn't assume a basic sentence capitalised word refers to a product. If a reference to a product is intended, we should clarify that association some other way; i.e. MS Teams.

Why should the sentence be capitalized in the first place? A quick scan on other submissions seems to indicate it is not true, at least for longer sentence. Why should a shorter sentence be then?

Claiming it is a title wouldn’t win the argument either. As it is not a rule that titles must have title casing. Both (title case vs first letter capital only) are valid typography of a title in English.

Re: ChatGPT for Teams

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here's a glossary to understand this post: - mixtral-8x7 or 8x7: Open source model by Mistral AI. - Dolphin: An uncensored version of the mistral model - 3.5-turbo: GPT-3.5 Turbo, the cheapest API from OpenAI - 4-series preview OR "4.5 preview": GPT-4 Turbo, the most capable API from OpenAI - mistral-medium: A new model by Mistral AI that they are only serving through AI. It's in private beta and there's a waiting li…

I asked ChatGPT to rewrite the original post using your glossary, which worked well: I've set up my system to use several AI models: the open-source Mixtral-8x7, Dolphin (an uncensored version of Mixtral), GPT-3.5 Turbo (a cost-effective option from OpenAI), and the latest GPT-4 Turbo from OpenAI. I can easily compare their performances in Emacs. Lately, I've noticed that GPT-4 Turbo is starting to outperform Mixtral…

The GP did a great job summarizing the original post and defining a lot of cryptic jargon that I didn't anticipate would generate so much conversation, and I'd wager did it without a blind LLM shot (though these days even that is possible). I endorse that summary without reservation.

And the above is substantially what I said, and undoubtedly would find a better reception with a larger audience.

I'm troubled though, because I already sanitize what I write and say by passing it through a GPT-style "alignment" filter in almost every interaction precisely because I know my authentic self is brash/abrasive/neuro-atypical/etc. and it's more advantageous to talk like ChatGPT than to talk like Ben. Hacker News is one of a few places real or digital where I just talk like Ben.

Maybe I'm an outlier in how different I am and it'll just be me that is sad to start talking like GPT, and maybe the net change in society will just be a little drift towards brighter and more diplomatic.

But either way it's kind of a drag: either passing me and people like me through a filter is net positive, which would suck but I guess I'd get on board, or it actually edits out contrarian originality in toto, in which case the world goes all Huxley really fast.

Door #3 where we net people out on accomplishment and optics with a strong tilt towards accomplishment doesn't seem to be on the menu.

Re: ChatGPT for Teams

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Or maybe you are spreading the anti ai ai club movement > https://twitter.com/daniel_nguyenx/status/174508587502795617... :D j/k but finding it pretty funny these days that more and more people are switching to lowercase, assuming it started from this @sama tweet: https://twitter.com/sama/status/1735123080564167048

Maybe in the AI Twittersphere it started with sama, but it’s been becoming common in Gen Z culture for a few years now. If you look up popular bands at the moment, you’ll find a decent chunk of them only use lowercase in their band and song names.

It's been around a while[0].

[0] https://albumartexchange.com/coverart/gallery/ra/radiohead_t...

Re: ChatGPT for Teams

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post #197
post #142

Could a moderator change the "Teams" in the title to lowercase (as it is in the article)? Capitalizing Teams misleadingly implies it's regarding Microsoft's chat platform.

I disagree. We shouldn't assume a basic sentence capitalised word refers to a product. If a reference to a product is intended, we should clarify that association some other way; i.e. MS Teams.

>We shouldn't assume a basic sentence capitalised word refers to a product.

We shouldn’t but many of us do. As a title word, there’s ambiguity if it’s a proper noun or not given title styling. Given the context in this case (HN, OpenAI, ChatGPT) it was pretty difficult for my brain to not assume it was referring to Microsoft Teams so it baited me in, perhaps unintentionally. I’m not too upset about it because I knew that going in but none the less, a quick read of the title should make it obvious to call it “ChatGPT for Collaboration” or something of that nature.

Re: ChatGPT for Teams

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post #197
post #142

Could a moderator change the "Teams" in the title to lowercase (as it is in the article)? Capitalizing Teams misleadingly implies it's regarding Microsoft's chat platform.

I disagree. We shouldn't assume a basic sentence capitalised word refers to a product. If a reference to a product is intended, we should clarify that association some other way; i.e. MS Teams.

In this case the original title is "ChatGPT for teams", so the headline was actually editorialized when it was submitted, which is discouraged by HN guidelines.

Normally it would be ok to capitallize words to match what many other US publications use, but this capitalization introduces confusion. I can only speak for myself, but I made the assumption that this was an integration with MS Teams. This would have been avoided if the original title was kept.

Re: ChatGPT for Teams

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I want ChatGPT for Family. The free version gets a lot of use around here but the most powerful feature is the ability to search the web, which is only available to paid users. I pay $20/month for myself and I’d happily pay a bit more for the whole family, but not $20/month per person - it adds up. Family members end up asking to borrow my phone a lot to use it. Give me a 3-4 person plan that costs $30-$40/month. You…

Can't you use the same account on multiple phones though? I thought this is a no brainer.

This is probably correct but I'd prefer that family don't read the conversations I've had, as even if I'm not saying anything too private, it feels too intrusive (it'd be a bit like reading my inner thoughts).

Re: ChatGPT for Teams

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Here's a glossary to understand this post: - mixtral-8x7 or 8x7: Open source model by Mistral AI. - Dolphin: An uncensored version of the mistral model - 3.5-turbo: GPT-3.5 Turbo, the cheapest API from OpenAI - 4-series preview OR "4.5 preview": GPT-4 Turbo, the most capable API from OpenAI - mistral-medium: A new model by Mistral AI that they are only serving through AI. It's in private beta and there's a waiting li…

I think you've done a great explanation expansion except I believe it's ALiBi ("Attention with Linear Biases Enables Input Length Extrapolation"), a method of positional encoding (i.e. telling the Transformer model how much to weight a distant token when computing the current output token). This has been used on various other LLMs[2]. [1]: https://arxiv.org/abs/2108.12409 [2]: n.b. Ofir Press is co-creator of ALiBi h…

This is indeed what I was referring to and along with RoPE and related techniques is a sort of "meta-attention" in which a cost-effective scalar pointwise calculation can hint the heavyweight attention mechanism with super-linear returns in practical use cases.

In more intuitive terms, your bog-standard transformer overdoes it in terms of considering all context equally in the final prediction, and we historically used rather blunt-force instruments like causally masking everything to zero.

These techniques are still heuristic and I imagine every serious shop has tweaks and tricks that go with their particular training setup, but the Rope shit in general is kind of a happy medium and exploits locality at a much cheaper place in the overall computation.

Re: ChatGPT for Teams

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> ' There is literally nothing on that page that says how to tell them to "not use my data for training"... ' You can opt out of ChatGPT using your conversations for future training, without disabling any features like convo history. Either some browser plug-in like an adblock is hiding the button from you, or you're not noticing and clicking it (I'm guessing the former [1]). For me, on iPhone, there's a black button…

Never knew about this link, I have requested not to train on my data but can we even confirm if they will honor it?

In addition to the usual risk any company has with breaking the law that a whistleblower might be brave and speak up, it could also come out in discovery during a court case, of which there are likely to be quite a few brought against them regarding what data they train on.

The benefit of training on data of people they've explicitly agreed not to train on (which is probably a very small % of even paying users yet alone free ones) is unlikely to be worth the risks. They'd be more likely just to not offer the opt-out agreement option.

But ultimately, we often can't know if people or companies will or won't honour agreements, just like when we share a scam of a passport with a bank we can't be sure they aren't passing that scan onto an identity-theft crime ring. Or course, reputation matters, and while banks often have a shit reputation they generally don't have a reputation for doing that sort of thing.

OpenAI have been building up a bit of a shit reputation among many people, and have even got a reputation for training on data that other people don't believe they should have the right to train on, so that won't help get people to trust them (as demonstrated by you asking the question), but personally I still think they're not likely to cross the line of training on data they've explicitly agreed with a customer not to use.

Re: ChatGPT for Teams

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I’ve got my stuff rigged to hit mixtral-8x7, and dolphin locally, and 3.5-turbo, and the 4-series preview all with easy comparison in emacs and stuff, and in fairness the 4.5-preview is starting to show some edge on 8x7 that had been a toss-up even two weeks ago. I’m still on the mistral-medium waiting list. Until I realized Perplexity will give you a decent amount of Mistral Medium for free through their partnership…

I'm still waiting for the AI encabulator.

Had a good laugh about your comment, then realized that this is _exactly_ what AI would be really good at...

Basically let an AI hallucinate on some technical subject. It would make a great script for a new encabulator video.

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