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Mozilla 2023 annual report: CEO pay skyrockets, Firefox market share nosedives

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Re: Mozilla 2023 annual report: CEO pay skyrockets, Firefox market share nosedives

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People complain all the time and nothing changes. She doesn't care and in a month everybody forget that Firefox is in dire straits. Google's Chromium project push new standards every month or so, and web developers are fast to adopt these standards and don't care about testing it on Firefox anymore. The Chromium monopoly is already a reality.

The Chromium monopoly is already a reality.

Yes. They got it fair and square --- they paid Mozilla for it --- and they still are.

Re: Mozilla 2023 annual report: CEO pay skyrockets, Firefox market share nosedives

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post #188

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Before that it was a mobile OS that failed to gain traction.

at least boot2gecko made 1000x more sense than a painfully vague "focus on AI"

I love FF and T-bird hard, but I have this mental image of a huddle full of brilliant, 20-year-plus systems engineers sitting in a room staring at a whiteboard with 'AI?' in the middle of it.

"Ok, everybody popcorn up some ideas. Don't be shy."

[one of them opens a laptop and begins fiddling with a flame graph]

Re: Mozilla 2023 annual report: CEO pay skyrockets, Firefox market share nosedives

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post #161

I believe the fault lies at the board. They are the ones who approve compensation for the CEO. The problem is it’s unclear to me how competent/independent the members of the board are. I don’t see any face I recognize, but that obviously means nothing. Do people know if there are any good people on the board? The best option would be for someone to fork Firefox and perhaps get it sponsored by Apache foundation. Then…

Who is on the board?

Re: Mozilla 2023 annual report: CEO pay skyrockets, Firefox market share nosedives

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post #243
post #161

I believe the fault lies at the board. They are the ones who approve compensation for the CEO. The problem is it’s unclear to me how competent/independent the members of the board are. I don’t see any face I recognize, but that obviously means nothing. Do people know if there are any good people on the board? The best option would be for someone to fork Firefox and perhaps get it sponsored by Apache foundation. Then…

Who is on the board?

https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/about/leadership/#boards

Re: Mozilla 2023 annual report: CEO pay skyrockets, Firefox market share nosedives

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Everything coming out of them recently, including the mailshots I see and even the onboarding copy, seems to indicate they see themselves as a political advocacy org first and a browser developer second.

Developing and operating open technology is political advocacy. Technology and its implementation is simply the expression of the ideology, rights, etc. Leadership choices, as well as their efficacy and compensation is still an important discussion.

No, it’s not. Software development is software development. Political advocacy is political advocacy.

Re: Mozilla 2023 annual report: CEO pay skyrockets, Firefox market share nosedives

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Which specific websites?

I hit a few in the past. But, I'm failing to find any of them at the moment... Maybe I should give Firefox mobile another try. It could be that my baseline was the Chrome rendering, so any discrepancy was classified as "it's broken".

Adblock on a mobile browser is a gamechanger. I wouldn't go back even if a quarter of sites were broken on FF mobile (and they aren't, I've been using it for 2 full years desktop and mobile, and only found a single compatibility issue - a restaurant's take-out ordering page)

Re: Mozilla 2023 annual report: CEO pay skyrockets, Firefox market share nosedives

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Developing and operating open technology is political advocacy. Technology and its implementation is simply the expression of the ideology, rights, etc. Leadership choices, as well as their efficacy and compensation is still an important discussion.

No, it’s not. Software development is software development. Political advocacy is political advocacy.

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Re: Mozilla 2023 annual report: CEO pay skyrockets, Firefox market share nosedives

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Wow, nearly 7 million. That’s incredible for a nonprofit CEO. Much, much large orgs have CEOs that get paid 10-15x less. This should be criminal. The taxpayers are being stolen from.

> nearly 7 million. That’s incredible for a nonprofit CEO. Much, much large orgs have CEOs that get paid 10-15x less

Correct.

For instance, the CEO of UNICEF USA makes 620k a year. https://www.unicefusa.org/about-unicef-usa/finances/financia...

Re: Mozilla 2023 annual report: CEO pay skyrockets, Firefox market share nosedives

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Governments have been creating web/native/mobile apps for some time, which is a trend that continues to accelerate. Firefox continues to limp along but seemingly can't even retain its most ardent fans, and there's no sign of this changing. What if the EU were to fork Firefox (Openfox?) and fund its evolution of a privacy-first alternative? Among other benefits, this would: • Help ensure that key digital infrastructur…

The EU (or any government) has a slightly schizophrenic approach to privacy.

"Privacy? Awesome! Wait! Wait! Not from us! Ban it! Ban it!"

I'd focus on the "balance of power" aspect. But that can be achieved by marketing Firefox, you don't have to fork it.

Re: Mozilla 2023 annual report: CEO pay skyrockets, Firefox market share nosedives

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Right. What would be lost if they used Chromium as well? Sure, there would be a lack of competition but at this point the browser is the fuel of the internet. We don't have multiple different type of gasoline, or home heating oil. The browser - sans Google Chrome's "spyware" - is a commodity. I'd rather see Mozilla focus on privacy, etc. My dream is for them to add a privacy-centric email product, a robust enough off…

> We don't have multiple different type of gasoline, or home heating oil We do? Actually, this is a great analogy. We have grades of gasoline because there is a trade-off between anti-knocking and cost. Monoculturing the grade approximates the diversity of requirements worse than honing in on a few points on the curve. As with browser engines, there is a limit to this diversity since each additional grade imposes nov…

>We have grades of gasoline because there is a trade-off between anti-knocking and cost.

Similarly Chromium can be configured in many different way, see chrome://flags. It's open source and has a modular design so even further customization is possible.

Different configurations can make different trade offs to appeal more to certain user's needs.

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