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Post by devinivy »

madeofpalk wrote: post #124
mullingitover wrote: post #98

Bluesky's big selling point is that it's an open protocol, but it's their own homegrown protocol that nobody else is using. Meanwhile Threads has working ActivityPub[1]. You can see threads posts on Mastodon. [1] https://www.theverge.com/2023/12/13/24000120/threads-meta-ac...

In all fairness, while yes Bluesky so far has not yet lived up to their promise of decentralisation/federation, it’s still under development. It just hasn’t been built yet. Though, the whole blue sky stack is significantly more complicated than ActivityPub so I’m doubtful as many would actually set up “instances”.

On the upside, atproto "instances" (we often call them "personal data servers") have much less responsibility than the typical Mastodon instance. So folks should find them quite cheap and easy to run. One reason is that they don't need to directly support application features such as timeline construction, search, image optimization, etc: they just host your social data.

We have 10 servers federating in production, each housing around 270,000 users, and it all runs on disk and sqlite, quite affordable! We migrated 2 million users off a single large host onto these 10 smaller ones transparently and without need for much fanfare. We're dedicated to the tech and seeing it work in production has been super heartening.

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Post by jakebsky »

slimsag wrote: post #237
jakebsky wrote: post #234

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There is still a waitlist but we're working hard to open things up ASAP. Some people will never believe it, but the waitlist was never intended as a growth hack. It was purely an attempt to keep the network healthy and the servers from catching on fire as we iterated on the app itself. For devs that want to experiment, we've had a special waitlist for a while: https://atproto.com/blog/call-for-developers

Loving bluesky so far, thanks for making it. Honestly it's the best competitor to Twitter I have seen so far, and after looking at the company / job listings and seeing how incredibly focused you are on the UI/UX aspects.. it seems an incredibly compelling product vision / company. Kudos. As an aside, do you have any plans to make your choices of domain names / branding less confusing / sketchy looking? (bsky.app, bl…

Thank you! And yeah, the goal is to bring an open social media protocol to everyone in a way that feels familiar and easy. The social media problems we face are societal and most of society is non-technical.

The domain situation is unfortunate and confusing. We don't have any immediate solution but agree it's a problem.

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Post by dv_dt »

duxup wrote: post #91

I've tried a few twitter alternatives (including Bluesky) as someone who hardly ever uses twitter anyway. I was a little disappointed how it just felt like ... more twitter. I'm browsing around finding mostly memes or outrage that doesn't have context to me. I fairly quickly get exhausted trying to find / curate content. I guess I should have expected it, but I hoped that somewhere a different network would have a di…

I found the mastodon / fediverse space to be somewhat slow paced to start with, but after a while of following interesting people gets to much better interaction space. People and topics you are personally interested in and want to read about.

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Post by pfraze »

devinivy wrote: post #241
madeofpalk wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In all fairness, while yes Bluesky so far has not yet lived up to their promise of decentralisation/federation, it’s still under development. It just hasn’t been built yet. Though, the whole blue sky stack is significantly more complicated than ActivityPub so I’m doubtful as many would actually set up “instances”.

On the upside, atproto "instances" (we often call them "personal data servers") have much less responsibility than the typical Mastodon instance. So folks should find them quite cheap and easy to run. One reason is that they don't need to directly support application features such as timeline construction, search, image optimization, etc: they just host your social data. We have 10 servers federating in production, e…

the entire architecture is like if you started with the typical architecture for social network, but then got rid of the organizational perimeters. the atproto instances (PDSes) handle primary data storage, key management, and request routing. they're otherwise quite dumb, which as divy is saying makes them cheap to run and also general purpose for other kinds of applications.

the app-specific business logic lives in the aggregator services that pull from those instances

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Post by dylan604 »

anotherevan wrote: post #209
dylan604 wrote: post #186

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Then just make it an MRSS feed. Seems very strange not to provide a feed with links to the media. Unless it's a deliberate crippling

I assume you mean that Bluesky should make it a media RSS feed. I don't think it is something simple an end-user could do.

I thought you were saying the Bluesky was making content available via RSS, but crippled without media

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Post by EstanislaoStan »

brundolf wrote: post #174
lairv wrote: post #169

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You still need to get an invite / a waitlist to register or am I missing something ? I don't know how you can expect people to make the move when they're not even able to sign in

All my twitter friends got invite codes through other friends pretty quickly (days or weeks), many people now have such a glut of codes that they're throwing them at whoever asks. I've got like 10 myself and nobody left to give them to Obviously they need to drop the invite system at some point (and I am surprised it's been this long), but it's not the reason a given subcommunity didn't make the jump

Could I get a Bluesky invite, by chance?

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Post by rileyphone »

chatmasta wrote: post #225
matsemann wrote: post #97

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My whole community has moved from twitter to bsky. The first push was for mastodon, but that died out after a few weeks. But all action is on bsky now, not twitter, so I feel most have migrated fully, not just double posting.

The fact that your whole community was insular enough to move to an invite-only app is exactly what worries me about Bluesky. It's just a bunch of cliques. Is that sustainable? We'll see. I do like the technical vision, a lot. But I haven't been able to try it out because any time I felt the desire to look, nobody could actually link me to a post or a feed. So I never achieved the required activation energy to even l…

Here's a few invite codes for anyone to use (maybe reply if you successfully use one)

bsky-social-exnc4-5h2qb

bsky-social-cocv2-coy6u

bsky-social-txqzx-nqhw3

bsky-social-h6snn-255ig

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Post by blondin »

rileyphone wrote: post #247
chatmasta wrote: post #225

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The fact that your whole community was insular enough to move to an invite-only app is exactly what worries me about Bluesky. It's just a bunch of cliques. Is that sustainable? We'll see. I do like the technical vision, a lot. But I haven't been able to try it out because any time I felt the desire to look, nobody could actually link me to a post or a feed. So I never achieved the required activation energy to even l…

Here's a few invite codes for anyone to use (maybe reply if you successfully use one) bsky-social-exnc4-5h2qb bsky-social-cocv2-coy6u bsky-social-txqzx-nqhw3 bsky-social-h6snn-255ig

thanks, used the first one.

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Post by semitones »

kjkjadksj wrote: post #107
brundolf wrote: post #20

It's lost the initial momentum but it's not dead yet. I'm still holding my breath that the critical mass makes the leap eventually; "it's just twitter but you can write and use custom clients and feed algorithms" is a compelling proposition For me and a lot of others, it's the only twitter alternative we ever signed up for. A few never came back to twitter, but most did mostly for social reasons. But twitter as a pla…

> "it's just twitter but you can write and use custom clients and feed algorithms" is a compelling proposition For the average twitter user this is probably the exact opposite of a compelling position. Tech people want more control and less abstraction. Everyone else is happy with their walled gardens and ten layers of separation from the machine code. Its why things are the way they are and not some technopunk utopi…

Open source clients and algorithms could serve as a foundation for more end-user friendly abstractions and UIs, that let average users very plainly express (or not express) what they want to see, and who they want to be seen by.

Imagine a sort of plug in ecosystem with sane defaults

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Post by knubie »

rileyphone wrote: post #247
chatmasta wrote: post #225

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The fact that your whole community was insular enough to move to an invite-only app is exactly what worries me about Bluesky. It's just a bunch of cliques. Is that sustainable? We'll see. I do like the technical vision, a lot. But I haven't been able to try it out because any time I felt the desire to look, nobody could actually link me to a post or a feed. So I never achieved the required activation energy to even l…

Here's a few invite codes for anyone to use (maybe reply if you successfully use one) bsky-social-exnc4-5h2qb bsky-social-cocv2-coy6u bsky-social-txqzx-nqhw3 bsky-social-h6snn-255ig

I used the second one, thanks!
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