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Re: The changing face of post-pandemic New York City

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Post by add-sub-mul-div »

tharne wrote: post #141
ghc wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you actually read the article you'll see it has nothing to do with crime. Crime remains at historically low levels: https://www.nyc.gov/assets/nypd/downloads/pdf/crime_statisti... It has everything to do with expensive housing. NYC is becoming wealthier and whiter, with low income and minority residents forced to move out over housing costs.

New York has always had expensive housing. It's not as if that became a problem yesterday. On the other hand, crime varies considerably from decade to decade. I'm getting a good chuckle watching people bend over backwards to downplay the issue of crime in NYC. It often feels like crime is to liberals what climate change is to conservatives, a big problem made worse by their policies that's better off ignored.

The only people who live in fear of crime in cities are people who hear about it in headlines from afar. If you live there and don't have a reason to want to live in fear, you don't.

Re: The changing face of post-pandemic New York City

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Post by anyonecancode »

bryanlarsen wrote: post #3

Does anybody have the stats for the metro area rather than just the city?

Well, here's some anecdata:

I'd been living in NJ for a few years before the pandemic and,just before the pandemic, had finally saved up enough for a down payment. We started looking summer of 2019, and were picky and not in a rush so were still looking when the pandemic hit. What this meant is I got to do a compare/contrast on my town's housing market. Right after everything shut down, there was no activity for a few weeks, but by spring things were restarting (with masking, or even virtual showings). What I saw is that inventory didn't increase -- maybe even decreased actually, as people weren't eager to move -- but demand became insane as people fled the city. Houses went for $50k or more over asking regularly -- the same houses we'd looked at the summer before and passed on because of shoddy construction or suspiciously strategically placed drywall in the basement.

I actually kept a spreadsheet to help me figure out how much we'd have to bid to have a chance without over bidding. We were finally successful in 2021, so got to take advantage of the super low rates, even though we ended up paying more up front.

Here's the summary stats I ended up with, sale dates 2020-06-25 through 2022-03-18

    Square Feet Listing Price Sale Price List vs Sale List vs sale % diff
  Mean 1,993.36 $568,002.74 $615,661.54 $52,770.80  9.67%
  Median 1,872.50 $550,000.00 $610,000.00 $51,900.00  9.60%. 
  Max 3,700.00 $1,399,900.00 $1,400,000.00 $225,000.00  37.28%
  Min 1,140.00 $300,000.00 $285,500.00 ($127,000.00) -19.54%
  Quartile 25% 1,607.25 $495,000.00 $527,750.00 $14,750.00  2.78%
  Quartile 50% 1,872.50 $550,000.00 $610,000.00 $51,900.00  9.60%
  Quartile 75% 2,300.00 $625,000.00 $690,499.50 $91,250.00  16.72%

Re: The changing face of post-pandemic New York City

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Post by busterarm »

mattzito wrote: post #233
busterarm wrote: post #190

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Reported crimes. Keep in mind NYPD had its budget cut by billions of dollars and lost record numbers of officers over the same period. Part of accurate crime statistics is actually finding an officer to report a crime to and then them giving you the time of day. And that's if you haven't given up on the city already and aren't "mindin' yo own business". I lived in NYC from 1984 through 2021 and I can tell you unequiv…

Eh, I've lived here since 98, the biggest thing I've seen is the rise in shoplifting, that's definitely a dynamic that's different than it was in previous years, and that is no doubt driven by the ability to sell these goods easily on facebook and other places (it wasn't worth your time to shoplift hairbrushes because where would you sell them and for how much, but there's a guy who steals hairbrushes from my local D…

They just cancelled the next five police academies. That's another 2500 less cops over 2 years.

Re: The changing face of post-pandemic New York City

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Post by mtalantikite »

pclmulqdq wrote: post #210
wolverine876 wrote: post #167

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> "tier 2" cities in the US actually have most/all of the food, culture, and activities that they think are exclusive to New York. I'm not knocking tier 2 cities or advocating NY, but that's just not true. Some people don't value what NY has to offer - the elite, the center of the world in arts, business, food, talent, etc etc. If you don't value it, absolutely don't pay for it - pay for things that you value. If you…

> Some people don't value what NY has to offer - the elite, the center of the world in arts, business, food, talent, etc etc. If you don't value it, absolutely don't pay for it - pay for things that you value. If you do value those things, there is no place else in the US, and with some exceptions, the world. I have a question for people who say this: Have you ever actually lived in any metropolitan area outside New…

> I have a question for people who say this: Have you ever actually lived in any metropolitan area outside New York?

For me, Chicago and Boston. I spent a ton of time hanging out in SF between 2008-2015 when I worked for a startup out there. I've spent a lot of time in LA for both work and pleasure. [edit] I also spent a lot of time in Miami for work at one point in my life.

And yeah, to me it's true. There's really no comparison with NYC in the US. That doesn't mean there aren't really awesome cities in the country, they're just not New York.

> New Yorkers think that San Francisco, Chicago, and Los Angeles are "tier 2."

Not that these rankings really mean much, but whenever people try to quantify it, NYC is often at the top [1]. Again, lots of the "tier 2" cities have similar things as NYC, it's just not often on the same scale.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_city

Re: The changing face of post-pandemic New York City

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Post by frenchyatwork »

giantg2 wrote: post #205
wing-_-nuts wrote: post #53

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covid spread through kids like wildfire, often via asymptomatic infections which then spread to, and killed, elderly who just wanted to see their grandkids. The amount of pushback these measures got, when we were literally just trying to save lives and prevent disability through long covid absolutely staggers the mind and erodes my faith in humanity.

"The amount of pushback these measures got, when we were literally just trying to save lives" Did it actually significsntly save lives or prevent long covid? I'm wondering if any countries didn't shut schools that we could compare to? I would guess maybe in the initial wave by not overwhelming hospitals it would save a few lives. But when the policies were continually extended thier return on investment dropped as th…

It's worth bearing in mind that the people making these policy decisions in 2020 were doing so without any objective knowledge of how the pandemic would actually end up playing out.

Car safety is somewhat different. While the harms of a car-dependent society are subjectively hard to come to terms with, especially for those who have grown accustom to it, it's a lot easier to objectively measure and predict.

Re: The changing face of post-pandemic New York City

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Post by steveBK123 »

levelz wrote: post #237
shin_lao wrote: post #67

More taxes. Less service. Everything is outrageously expensive. Middle class gets crushed. If you've wealthy, no point in having your main residence in NYC (see, more taxes). Will get worse before it gets better.

> Everything is outrageously expensive > Middle class gets crushed I moved out of New York City in 2020. The overriding reason was not this, it was just a fluke that I got a very compelling out of state job offer in 2019, and they requested I move in 2020. However, I am making about about $150-$160k as an SWE, and it goes a lot further here (although having to spend $700-$800 a month for a car, which I did not have t…

I've worked at hedge funds for over 10 years, I make FAANG money... and yet, I lived in a 1 bedroom rental without washer/dryer into my mid 30s. Unit hadn't been renovated since the 80s.

My boss did similar until he nearly lost his mind WFH with a working spouse and toddler all running around the room.

Meanwhile my current team is remote and my 24 year old coworker in Miami rents a 2 bedroom with his non-working wife. This is, I cannot stress this enough.. completely unheard of in NYC.

Re: The changing face of post-pandemic New York City

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Post by parineum »

tapland wrote: post #150
parineum wrote: post #123

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> covid spread through kids like wildfire, often via asymptomatic infections which then spread to, and killed, elderly who just wanted to see their grandkids. If only there was a way we could stop the elderly from contracting covid from their grandkids that didn't involve isolating children from social interaction and learning at the most crucial periods of their development. I have an idea, maybe the people most at…

Well, it would be great if that worked but in general people with this oppinion seemed to be fine to sacrifice (as in let die) anyone with a higher risk rather than contribute with money to allow this isolation.

Your comment is a blatant strawman.

I had a much longer comment written but I really don't want to relitigate covid for the umpteenth time.

Re: The changing face of post-pandemic New York City

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Post by ponector »

starik36 wrote: post #112
lotsofpulp wrote: post #94

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I have no problem with sacrificing the elderly for the benefit of the kids. A few months of shutdown was reasonable, but shutting schools down for a couple years is too big of a price to pay. Also, my kids were in daycare the whole time outside of Mar to May 2020, and they were spreading all sorts of viruses just like they were before COVID. How the government chose to allow the most prolific spreaders to congregate…

> I have no problem with sacrificing the elderly for the benefit of the kids. Read what you just wrote and ponder on it for a bit.

Couldn't elderly think about themselves? If they have poor health - stay at home, make a zoom call instead of in person visit.

Rising a child is incredible difficult nowadays, and government shouldn't close schools and daycare.

Re: The changing face of post-pandemic New York City

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Post by throwup238 »

mattzito wrote: post #233
busterarm wrote: post #190

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Reported crimes. Keep in mind NYPD had its budget cut by billions of dollars and lost record numbers of officers over the same period. Part of accurate crime statistics is actually finding an officer to report a crime to and then them giving you the time of day. And that's if you haven't given up on the city already and aren't "mindin' yo own business". I lived in NYC from 1984 through 2021 and I can tell you unequiv…

Eh, I've lived here since 98, the biggest thing I've seen is the rise in shoplifting, that's definitely a dynamic that's different than it was in previous years, and that is no doubt driven by the ability to sell these goods easily on facebook and other places (it wasn't worth your time to shoplift hairbrushes because where would you sell them and for how much, but there's a guy who steals hairbrushes from my local D…

> The NYPD's budget is still over $5b, which is more than the entire military budget of Peru, New Zealand, Romania, and Finland (plus a bunch of other countries).

Thanks. Now I have an irresistible urge to MacGyver some crazy geopolitical circumstances where the NYPD invades Finland. That will be my life's work.

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