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The pro-Israel information war

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Post by sabarn01 »

TillE wrote: post #219
sabarn01 wrote: post #189

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There is an ocean of injustice in the world and this one issue causes more anger than many that are equally abhorrent.

It's one of very very few issues where America and most of the west have stood firmly in support of violence and oppression for decades, even on issues like settlements where the US formally acknowledges the illegality and takes no action. Of course people care primarily about the actions of their own democratically elected government, that's the whole point. There's no need to protest when people agree with their go…

Settlements are of course wrong, but I don't really see any concrete action that Israel could take other than removing settlements. Even if they did that the fundamental facts on the ground wouldn't change. I don't see how they lift the blockade and any 2 state solution seems a nonstarter.

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Post by dubcanada »

dontlaugh wrote: post #206
ristlane wrote: post #159

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I’m very pro-Palestinian. That’s yet another reason why I want Hamas gone. There’s no chance for social justice while terrorists are running the show.

Hamas will only end along with the Zionist occupation.

How does this work out? Let's say Israel admits defeat and gives Hamas everything it wants. How does this remove Hamas from power?

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Post by fxd123 »

pazimzadeh wrote: post #60
everybodyknows wrote: post #20

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What did he say? Nothing new on his home page.

he tweeted a while back the number of palestinian vs israeli children who have died since october 7 there were way more palestinian children who had died, and some didn't like that being broadcast

It's almost as if Israel has defensive technology (Iron Dome) to protect their citizens from Palestine's rocket attacks that target civilian areas (which is a war crime)

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Post by oezi »

mrtksn wrote: post #153
seydor wrote: post #35

I think the behavior of the EU is more problematic TBH. Ursula VdL went heavily pro-israel the first day kind of giving carte blanche to israel for the following days This situation is not a good look for western response in general. The world is watching. Reminder that Srebrenica was 8000 deaths, but 17100 palestinians are justified losses.

She probably destroyed her career with this, since acted way beyond her limits. I still wonder, was she overcompensating due to her being German? It's very normal for EU to be pro-Israel, that's EU's official position and IMHO it's the correct one but EU's position is also pro-Two states solution and EU has significant humanitarian missions and political support for many of the Palestinian demands. Some EU countries…

> the Zionist aspirations

What has the current conflict to do with Zionist aspirations?

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Post by mantas »

ARandumGuy wrote: post #177
Scubabear68 wrote: post #91

I have no skin in this game. What I have seen is a confusion (perhaps intentional) between anti-semitism, and protesting Israel’s behavior since the Hamas attack in October. Criticizing Israel’s response is not anti-Semitism- it is literally just criticizing the response.

Israel and pro-Israel commentators have spent a lot of time and effort trying to ingrain the idea that Israel == Jews. Of course, not all Jews are Israeli, and not all Israelis are Jews. And there are many Jewish Israelis who are critical of the actions of the Israeli government. Of course, a lot of criticism of Israel is rooted in antisemitism. But saying all criticism of Israel is antisemitic deflects legitimate cr…

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Post by ajb »

Boogie_Man wrote: post #195
ristlane wrote: post #131

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I legitimately don't understand what you're trying to imply. As far as I can tell it's a very indirect attempt to imply that people "having a nerve struck" over "Jews coordinating", are bad in a nonspecific way. Can you state more clearly what you mean so I can consider it?

Not the op, but "Jews secretly controlling xxx" where xxx is finance, the news, etc is a common, and very antisemitic, meme.

I think the article is probably just pro Palestinian, but the fact that it's examining only propaganda on one side and not the other, even though there will be the same kind of operation on both sides because there always is, make s me also a bit suspicious of it.

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Post by chirau »

jdross wrote: post #7

Pro-Palestinian views outrank Pro-Israeli online by around 36 to 1 on TikTok and 8 to 1 on other online platforms. https://twitter.com/antgoldbloom/status/1721561226151612602 If anything the skew within the platforms is to prioritize pro-palestinian views https://twitter.com/committeeonccp/status/173279243496103143... It also seems like these platforms create (rather than support) anti-Israeli views: https://twitter.…

There is also the likelihood that even those ratios are like that after the pro-Israeli factor.

They could very well be more than that but you can't shut them all up. So that 36 to 1 might be after the fact.

Just from the populations you mention, which is obviously a super rough calculation, if we assume all Muslims to be pro Palestine and all Jews to be pro Israel, we would be expecting something like 60 to 1 ratio.

So the existence of that 36 to 1 might even be the result of the bias.

I am not saying this is the case, I'm just saying don't dismiss the claim simply based on the ratio you see.

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Post by oh_sigh »

nerdponx wrote: post #88
kingkawn wrote: post #58

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This. I have always been very very skeptical of the motives and intentions of various BDS groups over the years. Lots of issues with hypocrisy, propaganda, and double standards. But that doesn't excuse the murder of thousands of civilians in collective retribution for the murder of a few dozen. It's possible for both things to be true: Hamas is bad and committed a heinous act of terrorism, and Israel is committing a…

Without looking it up, how many people do you think Hamas terrorists killed on October 7th?
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