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Re: Greg Brockman quits OpenAI

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post #19

Hope they fire the person that forced verified phone numbers on new accounts.

And the person who decided that the settings (disable usage for training data) and (save prompts) can't be individually controlled. Also that the default is that your data is used for training purposes. Both are clear indications that privacy was no importance to them.

You can opt out of training and keep your history turned on in the privacy center. You fill out a form and indicate your country of residence.

Re: Greg Brockman quits OpenAI

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

No I don’t think that’s what happened at all. Also memorizing code and rewriting it is very much IP theft.

Is it? Seriously, I’m asking. Like… if you were an engineer that worked on UNIX System V at AT&T/Bell Labs and contributed code to the BSDs from memory alone, would you really be liable?

Probably depends on what the code is and how material it is to AT&T’s business and what agreements are in place. IANAL. Youre not gonna get sued for routine stuff.

Re: Greg Brockman quits OpenAI

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post #213

Can a super smart business-y person educate this engineer on how this even happens. So, if there's 6 board members and they're looking to "take down" 2... that means those 2 can't really participate, right? Or at the very least, they have to "recuse" themselves on votes regarding them? Do the 4 members have to organize and communicate "in secret"? Is there any reason 3 members can't hold a vote to oust 1, making it a…

I had the same questions, and have learnt now that non profit governance is like this and that is why is a bad idea for something like OpenAI. In a for profit the shareholders can just replace the board.

Re: Greg Brockman quits OpenAI

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Sam and Ilya have recently made public statements about AGI that appear to highlight a fundamental disagreement between them.

Sam claims LLMs aren't sufficient for AGI (rightfully so).

Ilya claims the transformer architecture, with some modification for efficiency, is actually sufficient for AGI.

Obviously transformers are the core component of LLMs today, and the devil is in the details (a future model may resemble the transformers of today, while also being dynamic in terms of training data/experience), but the jury is still out.

In either case, publicly disagreeing on the future direction of OpenAI may be indicative of deeper problems internally.

Re: Greg Brockman quits OpenAI

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post #213

Can a super smart business-y person educate this engineer on how this even happens. So, if there's 6 board members and they're looking to "take down" 2... that means those 2 can't really participate, right? Or at the very least, they have to "recuse" themselves on votes regarding them? Do the 4 members have to organize and communicate "in secret"? Is there any reason 3 members can't hold a vote to oust 1, making it a…

>Can a super smart business-y person educate this engineer on how this even happens.

There is nothing business-y about this. As a non-profit OpenAI can do whatever they want.

Re: Greg Brockman quits OpenAI

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Edit: I called it https://twitter.com/karaswisher/status/1725682088639119857 nothing to do with dishonesty. That’s just the official reason. ———- I haven’t heard anyone commenting about this, but the two main figures here-consider: This MUST come down to a disagreement between Altman and Sutskever. Also interesting that Sutskever tweeted a month and a half ago https://twitter.com/ilyasut/status/1707752576077176907 Th…

What is confusing here is Why would Greg have agreed to the language in the press release (that he would be staying in the company and report to the CEO) only to resign 1 hour later. Surely the press release would not have contained that information without the his agreement that he would be staying.

Re: Greg Brockman quits OpenAI

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post #168

I think I see it now. Speculation following: They achieved AGI internally, but didn't want OpenAI to have it. All the important people will move to another company, following Sam, and OpenAI is left with nothing more than a rotting GPT. They planned all this from the start, which is why Sam didn't care about equity or long-term finances. They spent all the money in this one-shot gamble to achieve AGI, which can be re…

No I don’t think that’s what happened at all. Also memorizing code and rewriting it is very much IP theft.

It's not if it's not literal. You can easily reimplement the same ML architecture which you have written before. Also, it's not really OpenAIs IP, if they kept it secret.

Re: Greg Brockman quits OpenAI

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post #205

Quitting like that makes it seem like Greg already knew what was brewing, whatever the conflict was and it came to a head and he made his call. So not a total surprise to him, at least as far as the backstory goes.

On the contrary this makes it seem like he was surprised.

No, he does not seem surprised as he had his mind made up about an important life decision and a carefully crafted resignation letter ready in a matter of hours.
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