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Re: Raspberry Pi 5

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Post by rewmie »

aastronaut wrote: post #102
Brajeshwar wrote: post #19

What is (or would be) the "Tsundoku" equivalent for Raspberry Pi? I started with Pi-Hole a few years back but ended up with a commercial paid DNS resolver. The timeline usually goes like this -- will stumble on another interesting video of Jeff Geerling, then spend the weekend tinkering with the Pi, keeps running, forget about it, found it to be not needed, plugs off and is lying around. [Tsundoku]( https://en.wikipe…

I think it should be "The art of buying single-board computers and never running them once". I think the "once" is needed in the case of computers. They are as machines not directly comparable to books... A book, like any media, fulfilled its initial purpose after it has been "consumed" - anything else (looks nice, feels nice, smells nice) are physical, subjective qualities attached to it. You might even buy it solel…

> I think it should be "The art of buying single-board computers and never running them once". I think the "once" is needed in the case of computers. They are as machines not directly comparable to books...

I have a few orange pi boards in a drawer that would disagree with you.

Re: Raspberry Pi 5

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Post by systemvoltage »

I fundamentally have issues with Raspberry Pi brand. It markets itself as a “open source” company but it is anything but. Sure you can get pcb files, but the real stuff is the binary blobs for qualcomm processors. None of that stuff is open source. You can’t get a datasheet for it.

So you’ve got a company that is taking advantage of OSS ecosystem’s reputation but returning nothing back.

Treat it like any other company and I’m fine with it. Happy to buy their computers. Just like I’m fine with OpenAI admitting they’re anything but “Open”. Just be honest ffs.

Re: Raspberry Pi 5

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Post by flyinghamster »

markonen wrote: post #186
geerlingguy wrote: post #167

Earlier quoted context omitted.

PoE requires a few beefy components that would blow the board size (and BOM) up quite a bit, for a feature probably only 10-20% of users require. I'm happy with a separate accessory, but wish they could've kept compatibility with the previous versions.

The idea that even 10-20% of users would power their Pis with PoE seems wild to me. Seems like a much smaller niche to me (even though I'm one of those people). Anyway, I have been wondering whether a headless-oriented SKU wouldn't make sense. Pay for the PoE BOM by jettisoning the video output.

I think that's what the Compute Module is for. Put it on a breakout board with just the I/O you need, and away you go.

Re: Raspberry Pi 5

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Post by nsteel »

iamtedd wrote: post #109
mlyle wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The answer is nuanced. It can run workloads somewhat faster and cooler than Pi 4 without active cooling. But it also can't reach close to its peak performance without active cooling.

Your answer is more direct and uses fewer words. Can you help them fix their product page?

Should we get Intel and AMD to clarify their product pages at the same time?

Re: Raspberry Pi 5

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Post by skywal_l »

mrweasel wrote: post #216
markonen wrote: post #186

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The idea that even 10-20% of users would power their Pis with PoE seems wild to me. Seems like a much smaller niche to me (even though I'm one of those people). Anyway, I have been wondering whether a headless-oriented SKU wouldn't make sense. Pay for the PoE BOM by jettisoning the video output.

I'm really surprised that PoE isn't more prevalent that is currently the case, but I guess it's because most people prefer WiFi devices. I'd add network jacks to everything and remove the power plugs if the option was presented. Most "normal" people seem to be the other way around. "Wireless" speakers (they'd be networks speakers then) / home assistant devices / media players and whatever else should always be attach…

> I'd add network jacks to everything and remove the power plugs if the option was presented.

You could always use PLC to use your eletrical network as a data network. I use that for IP cameras. Unfortunately, I still haven't found a PCL adapter providing PoE power.

Re: Raspberry Pi 5

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Post by blowski »

FirmwareBurner wrote: post #226
rgovostes wrote: post #75

At the moment the product page is just a list of specs, but the blog post goes into much more detail, including describing the new RP1 I/O controller: https://www.raspberrypi.com/news/introducing-raspberry-pi-5/ On pre-ordering: > We’re also giving every print subscriber to The MagPi and HackSpace magazines a single-use code, giving them priority access to Raspberry Pi 5 hardware. A subscription is US$43 and up, and…

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> Yes RPi foundation, please also spit in my mouth,

Ridiculous take. Seems like a perfectly good balance, prioritising limited stock to supporters of the Raspberry Pi, beyond simply selling to the highest bidder every time.

Re: Raspberry Pi 5

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Post by snvzz »

dwardu wrote: post #174
rgovostes wrote: post #75

At the moment the product page is just a list of specs, but the blog post goes into much more detail, including describing the new RP1 I/O controller: https://www.raspberrypi.com/news/introducing-raspberry-pi-5/ On pre-ordering: > We’re also giving every print subscriber to The MagPi and HackSpace magazines a single-use code, giving them priority access to Raspberry Pi 5 hardware. A subscription is US$43 and up, and…

times are tough, right?

There's always RISC-V.

Re: Raspberry Pi 5

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Post by xorcist »

peteforde wrote: post #197
dogma1138 wrote: post #183

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Won’t you still need an NTP or a GPS time module unless the RTC has a battery backup? How many applications would you have where timing is critical but you won’t have an external time reference that would be still viable without a guaranteed power backup?

Nobody said anything about not having NTP in the loop! Here's the deal: RPi The first thing we did was deliver 12V down the wire with a high quality power supply. Then we used UBEC buck converter modules (intended for RC quadcopters) to deliver power directly into the Pi via its pins. However, even now you're just chasing physics. There's no way to send a command to all of the Pis to do something right now . Instead,…

What's with the patching? It sounds like pretty much spot on for what NTP was designed for.

Each clock is monotonically increasing, with its individual drift. NTP will pretty soon find out exactly what the right polling interval is. Even if you run it in broadcast mode (why would you though, with only 70 devices).

Re: Raspberry Pi 5

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Post by flyinghamster »

dheera wrote: post #198
m463 wrote: post #117

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> Gigabit Ethernet, with PoE+ support (requires separate PoE+ HAT) isn't this just like the 4?

I tried 2 different HATs and they fried two Pi 4s. I gave up on it. I won't do PoE without reliable official hardware.

I've been powering a Pi 4 for several years now with the official PoE hat (edit: not PoE+), without any problems (other than that the fan is starting to get noisy).

Re: Raspberry Pi 5

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Post by skywal_l »

markonen wrote: post #186
geerlingguy wrote: post #167

Earlier quoted context omitted.

PoE requires a few beefy components that would blow the board size (and BOM) up quite a bit, for a feature probably only 10-20% of users require. I'm happy with a separate accessory, but wish they could've kept compatibility with the previous versions.

The idea that even 10-20% of users would power their Pis with PoE seems wild to me. Seems like a much smaller niche to me (even though I'm one of those people). Anyway, I have been wondering whether a headless-oriented SKU wouldn't make sense. Pay for the PoE BOM by jettisoning the video output.

> The idea that even 10-20% of users would power their Pis with PoE seems wild to me

I actually though it was the other way around. Having the PI powers other devices like IP cameras.

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