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Workers who cut countertops are dying of silicosis

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Re: Workers who cut countertops are dying of silicosis

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Only time I want straws is when the drink is too thick to drink by tipping the glass. Like chocolate with quite alot of cream as decoration or some smoothies. Soda with too much ice crush ... just have too much ice. I find it quite strange for adults to drink with straws. It is a child thing in my world.

Drive through soda is a lot easier to drink with a lid and a straw.

Sure forgot about that one.

Re: Workers who cut countertops are dying of silicosis

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No, the delay was artificial. Consider the effects? How about the possibility delaying i needlessly ncreases the number of humans dying?

The refusal of politicians to mandate motorcycle helmets for car drivers and pedestrians needlessly increases the number of humans dying as well. Since the article is referring to "83 cases among countertop workers identified across the state [of California] since 2019", it's almost certain helmets would save more lives than anything you do about engineered stone. So what's the excuse there?

Sorry, I'm confused, where did motorcycles come into this discussion?

Re: Workers who cut countertops are dying of silicosis

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The people who installed my counters used no safety equipment. They used consumer grade power tools while spraying them down with water and took no safety precautions. I was actually worried about what would happen if they injured themselves and if my insurance would get sued. They were all Asian and did not speak English it seemed like a super shady operation.

Re: Workers who cut countertops are dying of silicosis

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Not long ago, we had our countertop replaced (from quartz to granite). They ended up having to make a cut in it while it was sitting in our kitchen. Our home was in a cloud of dust for several hours, and when the dust finally settled a day later, every surface imaginable was covered in dust. I’m pretty sure none of them wore masks when doing this. I honestly didn’t think to wear a mask either (since they weren’t and…

surprised they cut it dry. i just had to add 2 holes to my granite countertop. used a “well” guide that also has water in it. it’s meant to keep the cutting edge cool but also there was no dust to speak of

Re: Workers who cut countertops are dying of silicosis

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No Pinkertons here! Just the invisible hand of the market.

Are you saying you would accept a 19th century mining job over your current one?

He's saying the miners wouldn't accept it either, but any organized attempt to change it was broken up by a private army.

Re: Workers who cut countertops are dying of silicosis

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I think you may be “annoying the fuck” out of yourself here. Your reply is full of strawman arguments. The comment I replied to asserts that the government incentive to reduce healthcare expenditures improves workplace safety, and consequently in the context of this article would have prevented silicosis/PMF in these patients. I highly doubt most HN commenters are aware of whether undocumented migrants are covered in…

All good, but you still had to get in the jibe about '"free" healthcare' for reasons that have nothing to do with either TFA or the GP's point.

It's not a gibe. I used scare quotes around free because it's obvious that a socialized system is funded by taxes, what's not obvious a bill is always generated during healthcare delivery in the Canadian system.

You yourself seem to not understand this distinction with your comment: "no charge at the point of service".

There is always a charge at the point of service and a bill is generated. The difference with the US is that the Canadian healthcare system, which also functions mostly privatized, uses a single payer model so the government is the only one legally permitted to pay for insured services. In other words, each province runs a large insurance company and there is a law that states that no one is allowed to charge any person or company other than the government insurance plan for anything the government has deemed reimbursable for any person covered by the plan.

(So you don't misinterpret my statements again: while government run hospitals, but not the physicians working in them, do get capitation payments they also bill for some services. What is billed vs paid through capitation varies by province. Services rendered to uninsured patients are never from capitation funds and are always charged directly to the patient).

If the services rendered or you are uninsured, like the patients in the article study, it functions the same as the US and you will personally receive a bill in the mail with similarly obscene rates much higher than what the government insurance company would have paid.

This distinction has everything to do with the article and GP's point which asserts that the Canadian government will bear some cost for the care of the patients in the California study which is flatly incorrect. If there was no charge at the point of service none of this would matter.

Re: Workers who cut countertops are dying of silicosis

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Wouldn't a wet-cut system where you flow water over the area the blade is hitting, pretty much cut dust in the air by 99% or more? Water is pretty cheap and available ...

Yes, and I’ve known plumbers who have to make cuts in stone countertops to install taps etc to create a ‘dam’ out of putty to flow water in to the cutting site while doing it.

The solutions exist, the problem is making people invest in them and stick to it.

Re: Workers who cut countertops are dying of silicosis

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Today the leading cause of death is heart disease. In that era it was infectious disease. You could have a cushy job doing numbers work in a city and still die of tuberculosis from being in close quarters. People were fine with it because everything was terrible. In the century between the 1850s and 1950s we went from not even having radio communications or the germ theory of disease to building nuclear submarines an…

People were definitely not fine with it but whenever they tried to do something about it the owner class sent the army and massacred them https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ludlow_Massacre

Yeah, the operators of company towns were violent pricks who didn't much like it that workers increasingly had better options than to die in a mine. That didn't change the economics though. Neither did committing violence against them, which was not only already illegal even then but also wildly unpopular.

There's nothing better for workers than a competitive market. What's the boss going to do when the workers have the option to quit and get a better job somewhere else?

Re: Workers who cut countertops are dying of silicosis

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Are you saying you would accept a 19th century mining job over your current one?

He's saying the miners wouldn't accept it either, but any organized attempt to change it was broken up by a private army.

That seems like it wouldn't work if you had a government capable of anything so basic as enforcing the preexisting laws against acts of violence.
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