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Re: Cannabis use disorder and subsequent risk of depression and bipolar disorder

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Post by 2-718-281-828 »

NoZebra120vClip wrote: post #70

A few months ago, we had a support group going at my clinic, with several patients with various diagnoses which are not directly discussed. We also had a presentation on sleep hygiene by a visiting psychiatrist. One of the newer support group members was openly promoting his love of smoking a joint and a cigarette and chilling out in the morning, and the psychiatrist said "cool, you do you!" Then the next week, the c…

this "range of opinions" could well be held by a single clinician even without any (psycho)logical contradiction.

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Post by eep_social »

aurareturn wrote: post #238
eep_social wrote: post #234

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wish you success in developing your three week old belief into a resilient source of intrinsic motivation. I hope for you that it is a sustainable and healthy belief.

It isn't a three week old belief. It's a life long belief that was temporarily stopped by weed.

My brother in christ, it’s clear in your writings in this thread that you have a ton of emotion about the choices you made a few weeks ago. Those feelings are not contained in a vacuum chamber. My comment was sincere. I expect you have a shit load of work in front of you to heal and I sincerely hope you are on a sustainable path.

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Post by eschaton »

aurareturn wrote: post #231
Perenti wrote: post #226

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Your 20 pot heads are most dangerous to sweets and junk food. The alcoholics drive, get angry and start fights. I'd much rather be in a room with 20 stoners than 5 drunks.

I agree with you. Absolutely. My stance is, just because alcohol is bad for you, doesn’t mean weed is good for you. I’d rather not be in a room with either group though.

So don’t be. What you’re saying is that nobody should be able to be in that room, because you know better than they what’s best for them.

You don’t seem to recognize that, at its enactment, drug prohibition had absolutely nothing to do with any sort of literal harm drugs caused to their users. Look up the horrifically racist excuse that was used for making cannabis illegal.

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Post by avodonosov »

PheonixPharts wrote: post #85
avodonosov wrote: post #55

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Isn't it possible to distinguish casuality between A and B from correlation by simply considering set sizes? !A & B A & !B A & B !A & !B A B !A !B

No because you can never know for sure that there isn't a latent factor C which is the real causal factor and A is merely correlating with it (if we presume causality to exist at all, which is a pretty standard assumption). We can compose DAGs that control for the factors we do know about, but it's impossible to exhaust or even know all possible latent processes that are impacting the outcome.

Ok. But can statistics disprove casuality?

E.g. to show that A does not cause B, while B (or a latent factor B correlates with) causes A?

When people say that the study can equally be interpretted as cannabis disorder causes depression and as depression causes cannabis disorder, can't statistics show that these two hypothesys are not equal?

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Post by kentrado »

senttoschool wrote: post #94
jliptzin wrote: post #62

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With all due respect, your inability to use marijuana responsibly should not make my responsible marijuana usage illegal.

With all due respect, I was a responsible user for the first year too. Good luck to you and I hope you never get addicted. Unlike alcohol addiction, which can come on fast, weed grabs a hold of you over a longer period. It starts out as only beneficial with little to no downside. You won't notice you're addicted until much later. Also, I find your decision to call the plant marijuana interesting. The names weed and p…

I am a responsible user for more than ten years.

You speak as if marijuana is highly addictive when in fact it is less addictive than coffee and easier to quit.

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Post by avodonosov »

sandofsky wrote: post #26

I can't see the full study methodology without an account. That said… The challenge with running studies ethically is that you can't split your test groups into two groups and somehow induce cannabis use disorder and see if major depression, bipolar, etc results from it. Rather, you can see if the people who naturally develop the disorder also have those problems. The flaw in this reasoning is that people who develop…

> people who develop depression and similar issues are likely to self-medicate with cannabis

Note, the study speaks of risk of depression - depresion happens after they have cannabis use disorder. Hence "Subsequent" in the study title.

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Post by aurareturn »

eschaton wrote: post #243
aurareturn wrote: post #231

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree with you. Absolutely. My stance is, just because alcohol is bad for you, doesn’t mean weed is good for you. I’d rather not be in a room with either group though.

So don’t be. What you’re saying is that nobody should be able to be in that room, because you know better than they what’s best for them. You don’t seem to recognize that, at its enactment, drug prohibition had absolutely nothing to do with any sort of literal harm drugs caused to their users. Look up the horrifically racist excuse that was used for making cannabis illegal.

I watched the documentary on blacks and weed on Netflix. I'm not an expert. I have some idea.

I do not care about racism in weed or the past. I'm speaking purely from my own experience. I'm also speaking on weed's influence on my future children. Weed does not exist on a vacuum. It doesn't exist for only users and not at all for non-users.

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Post by walthamstow »

aurareturn wrote: post #187
danenania wrote: post #179

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If we have a weed epidemic then we certainly have an alcohol epidemic too, as well as an obesity epidemic, as well as a traffic accident epidemic, and so on. Making everything that can be harmful to some subset of the population illegal is not the way to deal with these issues. It's reductio ad absurdum into a totalitarian nanny state that literally controls your diet and makes you drive 25 mph on the highway. It's n…

There are a few issues with what you're saying. 1. Weed has a mostly benign image right now. It has good PR. 2. It's much harder to realize that you're addicted to weed - unlike alcohol. Alcohol addiction is obvious to people around you as well. Not weed. Many weed addicts do not have the self awareness. 3. Weed can be significantly cheaper than alcohol per session - thus consuming more is economical for many. A few…

> 1. Weed has a mostly benign image right now. It has good PR.

Maybe this is a US/Canada thing, but it is deeply untrue in the UK. Cannabis has a terrible image here, as opposed to alcohol. Someone who drinks a bottle of wine a night would not be frowned upon.

I never tell people at work that I consume cannabis, not even people I am friends with, as it leads to all kinds of assumptions and prejudices.

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Post by teawrecks »

daft_pink wrote: post #6
tptacek wrote: post #2

"Cannabis Use Disorder", not "Cannabis use". The appropriate title is "Cannabis Use Disorder and Subsequent Risk of Psychotic and Nonpsychotic Unipolar Depression and Bipolar Disorder".

Have you ever met someone with schizophrenia? I would never engage in any activity that increases the likelihood of a permanent life ruining mental illness!

What activity are you referring to? Because this paper doesn't say that "cannabis use" is such an activity.
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