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How would you say “She said goodbye too many times before.” in Latin?

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Re: How would you say “She said goodbye too many times before.” in Latin?

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How would you translate this into Latin? 10 PRINT "HELLO WORLD" 20 GOTO 10 ... X SCRIBE "SALVE MUNDI" XX ITE X or something like that?

You might want the vocative of "world" (MUNDE) and the singular imperative of "go" (I). The latter is a bit easy to confuse with the Roman numeral for the number one, though!

Re: How would you say “She said goodbye too many times before.” in Latin?

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Not parent but yes; related meanings (e.g. hate/torture, ask/know) and typically same part of speech (e.g. both verbs or both adjectives), and the lines having similar (but here reversed) sentence structure (another commenter posted the wiki link to Chiasmus which goes into more detail. The structure we see here is x0 and y0, ...z0 / z1... y1 and x1.

Exactly this! It gets even cooler in this example too because the meter for "Odi et amo" elided to "Od'et amo" directly parallels the scansion for "excrucior" (long syllable, short syllable, short syllable, long syllable). So the two concepts that start and end the poem (love+hate, and torture) are also linked by how they are pronounced. Incidentally, that linkage is also the message of the poem itself. These two lin…

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Re: How would you say “She said goodbye too many times before.” in Latin?

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post #241

How would you translate this into Latin? 10 PRINT "HELLO WORLD" 20 GOTO 10 ... X SCRIBE "SALVE MUNDI" XX ITE X or something like that?

You might want the vocative of "world" (MUNDE) and the singular imperative of "go" (I). The latter is a bit easy to confuse with the Roman numeral for the number one, though!

So...?

X SCRIBE "SALVE MUNDE"

XX I X

Re: How would you say “She said goodbye too many times before.” in Latin?

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syllable count english 10 - She said goodbye too many times before latin 6 - nimium valedīxit polish 7 - Zbyt często się żegnała german 10 - Sie hat sich schon zu oft verabschiedet french 11 - Elle a dit au revoir trop souvent avant italian 12 - Ha detto addio troppe volte prima portuguese 11 - despedira-se demasiadamente (user tail_exchange) 14 - Ela despediu-se demasiadas vezes antes (deepl) nb: the target sentence…

I'd skip "się" and reverse the word order. "Żegnała za często" sounds better and more poetic ;)

If you want to include "before" (which Lating skipped): "Żegnała już za często"

Re: How would you say “She said goodbye too many times before.” in Latin?

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polish 7 (8) - Zbyt często się (już) żegnała Although it's possible to drop "się" if we don't care about the response to the woman, so i.e. she could write a letter with goodbyes, not caring/not receiving the response back: 7 - Za często już żegnała

that's more like "she's been saying goodbye too often" the "before" at the end throws me off. I don't think there's an correct tense to properly get this across in Polish. "Kiedyś żegnała się zbyt często"? "Często" also kinda applies to frequency in time, not count, so a literal "zbyt wiele razy" feels better.

"Często" sounds way more natural here than "zbyt wiele razy". Nobody says "zbyt wiele razy" :)

Re: How would you say “She said goodbye too many times before.” in Latin?

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Somehow the context of the song hasn't been shared on the thread yet: Whispered goodbye as she got on a plane Never to return again ... This love has taken its toll on me She said goodbye too many times before And her heart is breaking in front of me And I have no choice 'cause I won't say goodbye anymore Clearly "before" is needed to rhyme with "anymore". Also it is referencing the times she said "goodbye" before sh…

Thanks for the context, as I'm not familiar with that song. Isn't the grammatically correct rendering of that line "she _has_ said goodbye too many times before"? (Present Perfect, right?) Now I'm curious to hear the recording: is there a sibilant, "she's"? Edit: Several others made the same point below. I'll leave this here, but they were first. /e

There's no audible difference between signing "she's said" and "she said", the s's blend together. Any possible difference would be entirely obscured by stylistic choices.

Even vocalizing normally the difference is hard to tell. Try saying "She said I love you" vs "She's said I love you" – unless you make a point to completely stop in between words there's basically zero distinction.

Re: How would you say “She said goodbye too many times before.” in Latin?

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Yes, I agree, Spanish is generally more verbose. The weird one is that Latin American Spanish is spoken much slower, but with the same information per syllable (presumably). I always wondered if the information rate would actually be the same for Spanish (LATAM) and Spanish (Spain) - my suspicion is that it's lower in LATAM. Perhaps pauses and connective words could account for the difference though?

> always wondered if the information rate would actually be the same As a general rule of thumb, human spoken languages all communicate about 5 bytes per second of info. The limit seems to be not because of auditory processing or verbal issues, but rather how fast someone can process thoughts. I don't know about latam vs Spain specifically, that would be interesting. Seems unlikely that it would be more varied than e…

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Re: How would you say “She said goodbye too many times before.” in Latin?

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There's huge variation in Latin American dialects, there's definitely no universal speed of speech.

There's definitely differences between countries and regions, and I don't have data for it, but the stereotype of Latin American Spanish being slower than Spain has by and large been true in my experience. Do you think on average Latin American Spanish is spoken at the same speed as Spain? Edit: And regardless of regional variations I am certain that there are Latin American regions which have a generally slower spee…

> Do you think on average Latin American Spanish is spoken at the same speed as Spain?

Faster in the Caribbean, slower in the Andes

Re: How would you say “She said goodbye too many times before.” in Latin?

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Yep, for example, it's standard for US speakers to say "I wish you would have done X instead" whereas Brits would say that should be "I wish you had done X instead". I believe that that construction is a past subjunctive (since it's counterfactual) and therefore that the Brits are essentially right here ("had" is a past subjunctive form but "would have" is not; it's a conditional).

This is not standard or correct in American English either, though interestingly, German uses the same form for both situations ("ich wünsche, du hättest es getan" vs "du hättest es getan, wenn..."), so if that construction is more common in American English it's possible that it's due in part to the influence of German speakers.

That's interesting. While perhaps not "standard", I'd definitely say it is very common among educated US speakers. Not to blame Bruce Springsteen -- who for all I know might have been trying to depict via grammatical error a certain sort of person in his song -- but for me it always brings to mind the song Bobby Jean. But now I see that apparently that is "wished" not "wish" so it's extra confusing :)

  Me and you, we've known each other
  Yeah, ever since we were sixteen
  I wished I would have known
  I wished I could have called you
  Just to say "Goodbye, Bobby Jean"
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