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Post by pxc »

_fat_santa wrote: post #141
trustingtrust wrote: post #75

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With computers like framework and system76, the community for hardware support is solid too now. Seriously considering a switch from M1. I feel like macOS is half baked development environment. I only stay because I never bought a Linux supported computer and I got the M1 air very cheap. But I am considering getting a framework as I just damaged a usb-c port and I am not entering apple’s repairability problem.

While Framework and Sys76 are the two major players in the Linux laptop space, if you are looking to save money I would recommend picking up a Dell/Lenovo/HP "business" laptop, those run Linux really well and a good chunk are even certified to run Ubuntu. In my experience though I stopped buying laptops for personal use and started buying desktops. Easier to upgrade, usually cheaper and better support for Linux just…

Why is Framework considered a player in that space? What does that company actively do to improve Linux support? Do they offer free BIOSes like coreboot? Are any of their peripheral firmwares open-source? What kind of Linux compatibility do they guarantee for their hardware prior to launch?

Afaik they're exactly the same as Lenovo: a Windows PC manufacturer that happens to be popular with Linux users, and which doesn't go out of their way to break things for Linux users. But they've shipped laptops that had broken power management on Linux on launch day, for example. They're not a Linux hardware vendor.

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Post by hot_gril »

acruns wrote: post #151
FredPret wrote: post #142

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I became a new MacOS user when the M1 was released. One thing I really like is that it's so much more similar to Linux than Windows. Many of my favourite Linux server tools also run on Mac. They're either included or are a "brew install x" away. Everything from cron to nginx (for local web dev) works like a charm. Combine this with the extreme ease of doing office-type work on a Macbook: Excel works, printing / scann…

people can't manage to block "malware" on a Windows system but somehow manage to use a dev tools? and the idea that a Mac costs the same or less as a dell/hp is ludicrous. the cheapest MacBook air is $1000, while a Windows laptop is $500. sorry to destroy your ideology but at least be honest and say I prefer a Mac and can afford it suck windows can pound sand.

> people can't manage to block "malware" on a Windows system but somehow manage to use a dev tools?

Yes, cause maybe it's a work machine and they don't want to (or aren't allowed to) screw with the system, whether it's by messing with the registry or especially installing some debloater.

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Post by hot_gril »

gumballindie wrote: post #65
mythz wrote: post #53

I'm a big fan of WSL, which has kept me on Windows for years more than I otherwise would have. But I can't stand the scammy adware infused OS Windows has become and will be moving to Apple Silicon full-time when the next gen M3 Desktop hardware is out. As a recent M2 Macbook Air owner I'm surprised how much software supports ARM/Apple Silicon natively, where everything I use daily as a .NET developer worked OOB [1].…

Why not Linux (depending on your line of work). Wider hardware choice, easier to upgrade, and no corporate oversight. Doesn't cover all use cases but it's a good option these days.

Linux is ok nowadays, but why? The Mac hardware is already better, and Apple isn't too annoying. You'll have more random nonsense to deal with on Linux, some of it not their fault.

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Post by nerdjon »

input_sh wrote: post #237
nerdjon wrote: post #183

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It ultimately depends on what the student is doing I think. If you are just writing papers, doing research, taking notes. Just use an iPad. Maybe get a keyboard to attache to it. Obviously if you are going for programming thats an exception but thats not everyone. Most people that I know do the vast majority of their computing tasks on their phones. I think it's very telling that apps like Threads launched first as a…

> I think it's very telling that apps like Threads launched first as an app and the website came later. This isn't new, Instagram itself did the same over a decade ago. It was phone-only until shortly after Facebook bought it. But I agree with your other point, PCs (mostly laptops if you want to make that distinction) are for business use, while phones and iPads (because other tablets suck) are general purpose device…

> But I don't think laptops are going anywhere for business use, as merging them with tablets never really took off.

I definitely agree with that for the vast majority of use cases, I do think there are a few outliers where the portability of tablets likely outweighs any benefits that could be gained from a laptop. Particularly if you are in a setting that you don't often sit and work at a desk. But those are the exception.

But that does mean that the usage of Windows (and Mac) is further and further switching from general computing and more constricted use.

We are seeing that change in some situations. Like with doctors or just yesterday I went to a therapist who uses an iPad instead of a laptop (however both of those I think bring up a question if did they ever use a laptop or did they just skip over that step since it really wasn't that long ago that both would have been paper based).

Given that I work in tech its kinda hard for me to really comment on what is happening in other more traditional office settings

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Post by hot_gril »

mythz wrote: post #53

I'm a big fan of WSL, which has kept me on Windows for years more than I otherwise would have. But I can't stand the scammy adware infused OS Windows has become and will be moving to Apple Silicon full-time when the next gen M3 Desktop hardware is out. As a recent M2 Macbook Air owner I'm surprised how much software supports ARM/Apple Silicon natively, where everything I use daily as a .NET developer worked OOB [1].…

Microsoft stuff is a whole separate world that I've never explored, so I was surprised to learn that .NET isn't just for developing Windows applications. What's your workflow with that, and is it compromised in any way by developing outside of Microsoft's platform?

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Post by iguana_lawyer »

nottorp wrote: post #51

They're almost right though. People should ditch Chrome indeed. But they should ditch it for Firefox not Edge.

You should give Floorp a try. It’s like Vivaldi but with Firefox under the hood instead of Chrome.

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Post by thfuran »

tivert wrote: post #207
thfuran wrote: post #134

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Yes, I mean all advertisement, with exceptions like being able advertise on a business's own premises or upon explicit request like signing up for a newsletter (on purpose, not due to dark pattern fuckery). But no jamming third party advertisements everywhere imaginable or first party advertisement into products that aren't just ads.

Honestly, I'd take a slightly different tack: ban all advertising except that which focuses on product features (like a lot of old-timey ads did), and then have strong enforcement of penalties for false advertising. Then limit innovation in delivery to places where it's both not intrusive and already established (e.g. media publications, etc). The manipulation and excessive proliferation has to stop, but I don't thin…

>and then have strong enforcement of penalties for false advertising.

The legality of puffery is ridiculous.

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Post by labrador »

stetrain wrote: post #31

I got a Windows Notification the other day while playing a game telling me about a "Grand prize giveaway" Nope, not malware. Just Windows. https://i.imgur.com/xVstzqc.png https://www.reddit.com/r/microsoft/comments/15u6gx8/windows_...

You look at Windows Notifications? I don't because they're worthless. I disabled widgets. I don't use Edge. Marketing and other BS is hardly on my radar anymore and my Windows 11 experience is a good one.

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Post by vladvasiliu »

jader201 wrote: post #200
vladvasiliu wrote: post #153

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FWIW, I find current gen (starting with 8th) HP EliteBooks decent enough. They work perfectly in Linux (actually better than Windows, since for a while some bits weren't recognized...). They're quiet unless I'm compiling something (if I don't use Windows, which for some reasons gets the fan spinning even when it's supposed to be asleep). The trackpad is good, even though it's worse than my 2013 MBP's. The main issue…

> Even the top-of-the-line display is ridiculously bad. To me, that’s far from “decent enough”, not even taking into account the other (more minor) differences you name.

The reason I mention it is because some people don't really care about display quality. I know basically none of my colleagues do. They'll see a MBP and go "yeah, it looks better. so?". But they do care if half the things don't work (think borked wifi or no webcam). So, for people like this, I find it's a good data point. And even though I do care about display quality, given my usage pattern, this isn't much of an issue in practice, since 99% of this PC's usage is tethered to a high-quality external screen. If I had a gorgeous MBP, I'd still be looking at the same monitor.

The battery doesn't last as long as an M mac, either. But then again, I rarely use it away from a desk. I could technically use one of those mini pcs that I'd cart around, but for the 1% of the time when I do use while out and about, it's a good compromise.

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Post by thfuran »

macintux wrote: post #225
falcolas wrote: post #137

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I have to be honest, it doesn't change my answer. Advertising is a multi-billion dollar industry who spends millions yearly on figuring out how to manipulate us into buying things we don't need. The average person has no chance against this manipulation. So yes, burn it all to the ground.

Banning all advertising would also destroy many small businesses. Interstate billboards are a nuisance, no doubt, but I can’t tell you how many roadside markets, small restaurants, etc I’ve visited while traveling that I’d never have known about otherwise.

If a business cannot exist without polluting the commons, should it really exist?
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