The OpenTF Manifesto

Post by AaronFriel » Tue, Aug 15, 2023, 9:38 PM UTC

verdverm wrote: post #108

vosper wrote: post #102

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Just went with Elastic cloud after evaluating both Elasticsearch and OpenSearch. It was an easy choice to stick with the incumbent/creator that I was familiar with. No complaints so far.

We just went back to TF after giving Pulumi a try. Prefer declarative syntax for infra and more abuse of Yaml ("fn::..." here) is not what I'm after. We are working on wrapping TF in CUE since you can CUE->JSON->TF https://github.com/hofstadter-io/cuelm Many more CUE experiments are going on in the devops space

    from pulumi_aws import s3

    bucket = s3.Bucket('bucket')

    for i in range(10):
        s3.BucketObject(
            f'object-{i}',
            s3.BucketObjectArgs(
                bucket=bucket.id,
                key=str(i),
            )
        )

Post by mardifoufs » Tue, Aug 15, 2023, 9:40 PM UTC

scrum-treats wrote: post #225

mardifoufs wrote: post #184

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What? Docker is still completely open source apart from the desktop GUI. The engine and (I'm pretty sure) all components are completely free and if anything, they have pushed for the standardization of the container runtime. Buildkit is free, compose is free, no feature is paywalled apart from Mirantis-centric stuff (not part of docker inc) You can absolutely bet that they would get dropped like a rock if they moved…

Didn't Docker actually try it earlier this year, e.g., https://blog.alexellis.io/docker-is-deleting-open-source-ima... ?

Post by kragen » Tue, Aug 15, 2023, 9:45 PM UTC

fishnchips wrote: post #32

dbingham wrote: post #23

I appreciate the letter and trying to work with Hashicorp -- I used to have a ton of respect for Hashicorp. But honestly... at this point... ...just fork it into a foundation. Don't wait for Hashicorp's response. I get wanting to have the appearance of working with Hashicorp, but we've been shown again, and again, and again, and a-fucking-gain that private corporations cannot be trusted to maintain public goods. Only…

Marcin here, co-founder of Spacelift. Even though I strongly believe the OpenTF fork could open up incredible possibilities for the community (I could go on and on about it), it is an equivalent of a civil war. It doesn't serve the community and our only interest is in the continued strength of the community that we continue to build for. Based on my immense respect for what's been built under Hashi's umbrella I'd ra…

Post by colechristensen » Tue, Aug 15, 2023, 9:52 PM UTC

jen20 wrote: post #234

nikolay wrote: post #219

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It should worry you - it hurts the ecosystem. Terraform is just a tool. The providers, modules, not supported by HashiCorp, is what makes Terraform useful. Ige the ecosystem dies, Terraform becomes useless.

The ecosystem outside of providers is far less important than people like to claim. Open source modules are almost all poorly scoped, often just wrapping a single resource completely unnecessarily - simultaneously over- and under-abstracted. It's also a huge security risk to pull them in.

Post by jeffchao » Tue, Aug 15, 2023, 9:56 PM UTC

fishnchips wrote: post #32

dbingham wrote: post #23

I appreciate the letter and trying to work with Hashicorp -- I used to have a ton of respect for Hashicorp. But honestly... at this point... ...just fork it into a foundation. Don't wait for Hashicorp's response. I get wanting to have the appearance of working with Hashicorp, but we've been shown again, and again, and again, and a-fucking-gain that private corporations cannot be trusted to maintain public goods. Only…

Marcin here, co-founder of Spacelift. Even though I strongly believe the OpenTF fork could open up incredible possibilities for the community (I could go on and on about it), it is an equivalent of a civil war. It doesn't serve the community and our only interest is in the continued strength of the community that we continue to build for. Based on my immense respect for what's been built under Hashi's umbrella I'd ra…