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Re: Kevin Rose Will Join Google

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well, there's a lot of big names already working in Google who once owned companies. They probably have more leverage/freedom than the average google employee

Average google employees have a lot of freedom too. It is a blessing and also a curse that leads to DOA product launches.

Re: Kevin Rose Will Join Google

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Right. He can partner with or hire one of the thousands of developers available out there.

They're all inundated with offers from the millions of "idea guys" out there. Idea guys a dime a kilo.

Right on. I went to a hackathon as a facilitator/judge type. There were 3 idea guys for every dev. The devs centered on some good ideas or brought their own. There were several idea guys that left feeling like their billion dollar idea was just missing a code monkey cog to slide into the code monkey cog slot to make it happen.

One of them had come up with oink aka foursquare aka yelp aka gowolla ...

Sad really.

Re: Kevin Rose Will Join Google

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In his case, it seems to be making him dumber. Sloppy. He's starting to believe his BS. Doesn't matter now, but if it keeps up..

I think you've deluded yourself into thinking you can read minds. Vic knows better then you or any of us exactly how much G+ is getting it's ass handed to it and not just by FB. http://www.google.com/insights/search/#q=Google%20Plus%2CRed... He still has a job to spin it in the most positive way and anyone else in his position would be forced to say the same things.

People probably don't search for Google Plus on Google.

Re: Kevin Rose Will Join Google

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Like I said before[1], what is up with all this Kevin Rose hate? He has a successful portfolio, seems to have a level head, and knows about tech. All this whining about "well I'm a dev and need VC why do they give him to him?" stop thinking you deserve something and get out there and make something; like he has been proven to do time and time again.

[1] http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3705015

Re: Kevin Rose Will Join Google

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Here's an idea from a non-idea-guy: do for those of us who have no clue how to approach your list of non-technical skills what Codecademy has done for those with no idea how to approach programming. Start us slow, treat us like we know nothing, but give us the chance to prove otherwise. Allow us to work on our own time, and charge us orders of magnitude less than an MBA costs. I would pay for that.

Probably not doable. Not good at this stuff myself, but at core it seems to be driven by recognition of emotional states and making emotionally intelligent responses. This sort of thing isn't beyond learning -- disciplines like art, music, sports develop the core skills, and we can all become more self-aware. But it doesn't lend itself verbally stated principles.

Obviously it can't look much like Codecademy and perhaps it is not about verbally stated principles. Maybe the bigger question is: how does the progress that has been made by people using technology to reduce the financial and social barriers to learning technical material translate to learning "softer" material? If we want to eventually live in a world where the university in its current form has been superseded (and I do), someone needs to answer that question. It sounds hard and uncertain but very valuable if successful - a winning combination if you ask me.

Re: Kevin Rose Will Join Google

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Sorry if this sounds harsh, and I know he has a lot of fans out there. But this guy struck gold 5 years ago with Digg. Sure, he deserves props for this. However, he's not a developer. He's an "ideas guy" as far as I can tell. As a developer, I hate these kinds of people because more often than not their ideas suck. In any case, what I am saying is that it seems like people in the industry get by based on one previous…

Welcome to capitalism.

Re: Kevin Rose Will Join Google

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post #53

Sorry if this sounds harsh, and I know he has a lot of fans out there. But this guy struck gold 5 years ago with Digg. Sure, he deserves props for this. However, he's not a developer. He's an "ideas guy" as far as I can tell. As a developer, I hate these kinds of people because more often than not their ideas suck. In any case, what I am saying is that it seems like people in the industry get by based on one previous…

To quote pg: "A hacker who has learned what to make, and not just how to make, is extraordinarily powerful." As a developer, it is frustrating to see fellow developers place too much importance on being able to code as a necessary ingredient for startup success. As a hacker, I'd say that most hackers know how to make, but don't know what to make. That is to say, most startups from these type of hackers with the "if I…

Of course, there are also those of us who know what to make, but don't have loads of seed money to build an ecosystem from the ground up...

Re: Kevin Rose Will Join Google

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In the Bay Area. Everyone claims to be crying out for developers, but they reject all the candidates they're presented with, so in practice it's hard to get a job as a developer.

I think what you mean to say is "it's hard to get a job as a developer if you're not a good candidate".

I'd actually like to back him up on this, at least partially. There is an outcry for developers in the Bay Area, but mostly just in the Bay Area and mostly just for web/mobile developers. The shortage is hyper-specialized, and thus so are the job requirements, thus excluding most of us who call ourselves developers.

Re: Kevin Rose Will Join Google

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Idk jgc's opinion but personally this seems like nothing more than a PR move I mean the only thing Kevin seems to be able to do is attract buzz.

A PR move? Do you think anyone that hasn't heard of Google has heard of Kevin Rose?

More of a PR move in that google is trying to get Kevin Rose fans (or whatever you want to call them) in the deal.

If Rose goes into google+ maybe Google wants him as a focus point or part of a public image... these are what I see Kevin Rose as with this but I of course may be wrong.

I don't know however how you got "anyone that hasn't heard of Google has heard of Kevin Rose" from my statement however.

Re: Kevin Rose Will Join Google

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Sorry if this sounds harsh, and I know he has a lot of fans out there. But this guy struck gold 5 years ago with Digg. Sure, he deserves props for this. However, he's not a developer. He's an "ideas guy" as far as I can tell. As a developer, I hate these kinds of people because more often than not their ideas suck. In any case, what I am saying is that it seems like people in the industry get by based on one previous…

There's a distinction to be made between "idea guys" and "product people". You're criticizing "idea guys", while it seems that Kevin Rose might be more of a product person. The "idea guy" is the guy who comes to a developer and start with "I've got this great idea for an app…", thinks it's genius but never dives down to all the details of said-app. A product person might or might not know how to code but s/he will(/s…

Salesforce's CEO, Benioff, is the classic idea guy. He kept a few coders in a dank apartment grinding on salesforce, then rode it to billions. Of course, he's a great salesman and made it big.
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