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YouTube doesn’t have DRM on non paid content. If they did, the situation would be way different.

They’ll fix that with the web integrity API.

Eventually, but they could already use EME on the videos if they wanted.

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Nothing could really be done about DVDs because the hardware was immutable and already out in the wild. Highlighting a still operating service though just draws legal attention to it. It's like finding a crappy bar everyone hates that stores beers out back in a alley. You can keep it to yourself and enjoy it for years, or you can "protest" the bar by telling the whole town about it. See ad-blocking for a real world e…

I absolutely get your point and I personally struggle with this as a concept, because, well, I was young once. There is a benefit to knowledge staying from being too... easily distributed, especially if it is used poorly. But.. having benefited from it in terms of general knowledge, I am not sure it is my place to lock the gates behind me. Ad-blocking is definitely an interesting story, but, to me at least, it seems…

> Were it not for people drawing attention to this, we would not even have legal streaming now.

Streming is not exactly an improvement over what we had before. If you bought a DVD or VHS you could rewatch it whenever you want and share it with your friends. With streaming services you own nothing and content disappears all the time.

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Except one is an explicitly enumerated constitutional right.

As opposed to free speech?

The US constitution unfortunately allows limiting free speech for certain purposes, hence copyright.

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Except one is an explicitly enumerated constitutional right.

You can legally bear arms even if it is illegal for manufacturers to sell to citizens.

That's exactly the kind of logic that gets your basic human rights eroded.

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As opposed to free speech?

The US constitution unfortunately allows limiting free speech for certain purposes, hence copyright.

Yeah, but not guns. Check. Got it.

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All a conventional radio does is translate electromagnetic waves that are already surrounding it into sound waves that we can hear. An intellectual-property-maximalist lawyer could cogently argue that a radio that records the signal onto a tape or other storage device is somehow violating the IP rights of the authors, as it is interacting with the work in materially different way than an ordinary radio. Not that I wo…

Radio has since the mid 1990 moved towards digital signals, and by now almost all conventional radio receivers do not covert electromagnetic waves into sound waves. They covert electromagnetic waves into a digital sound file, which then get copied into local memory and run inside a software program that plays the sound (and generally outputs meta data). It can also buffer sound if it wants to. As a interesting side-n…

This may be true for specific countries, but analog radio is far far from dead globally.

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It's amazing what kind of mental gymnastics can allow someone to think you can watch a video without downloading it. Lawyers live in a world very unlike reality.

That’s the Hamburg Court for you. It is well known for not having any clue about IT and often getting the most ridiculous results.

That is an unjustifiably charitable take on that court. I bet they do have a clue what they are doing and are specifically making industry-friendly rulings because they know it will get them more customers. Letting companies choose the court they want really should not be a thing, it just has too many perverse incentives for one local court to butter up to them. And neither should a regional court be able to continue to rulings that apply country wide if they often get overturned at a higher court when challenged.

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Somewhat relatedly: I've been using Uberspace for years now to host some personal stuff (e.g. my Nextcloud instance). It's really cheap (you can start for as low as 5€/month), and I don't know any other shared hoster that allows so much flexibility in what you run on your account. The docs are also superb. I can only recommend it.

5€/month is cheap for low end shared hosting now? You can get a VPS at that price.

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The RIAA can get fucked

Yep that'll encourage content creation :p Never mind RIAA became a thing because of content creators.

That content creation needs to be encouraged in the first place still has not been backed up by any kind of studies. But if you were to want to do that, making it a nightmare to build on other people's content is surely not the best way to go about it.

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Yep that'll encourage content creation :p Never mind RIAA became a thing because of content creators.

The RIAA is not a thing because of music artists[0], they were created by music labels to represent their interests. The biggest mistake people make when talking about anything to do with copyright or the creative industry is to assume that, because publishers of creative works represent or hire authors, that we can just collapse authors and publishers down into a single entity and treat any copyright related argumen…

> While both publishers and artists need some kind of limited coercive copyright arrangement in order to have a market for their work

They only need this for the current business model of creating content up front and then collecting payments later. This is not the only way to fund creatives - it's not even the oldest.

Not to mention that with the ability to infinitely recreate all creations without loss of fidelity (as is the case in the digital world) we need to seriously reconsider to what extend whe even need to incentivize creation of even more works. There will always be a base level of artistic output done based on passion and perhaps that is enough.

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