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Re: Most promoted and blocked domains among Kagi Search users

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Post by int_19h » Sat, Aug 05, 2023, 6:38 AM UTC

navanchauhan wrote: post #206

karaterobot wrote: post #82

Pinterest was certainly the first site I blocked. I've never understood the hate for w3schools. No, it's not MDN, but it's not offensively bad either, and it's been a helpful reference from time to time. If w3schools comes up first in a search, I trust that it probably has the answer to whatever very simple question I must have asked, unlike something like Pinterest, which will just be spam no matter what.

I never knew W3Schools had such a bad reputation. I learned HTML from that site almost a decade ago and found it pretty helpful. I loved their Try it Online!

Historically, at least, it had a lot of examples that technically did what they were supposed to do, but in ways that you really, really, really shouldn't be doing them.

Re: Most promoted and blocked domains among Kagi Search users

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Post by int_19h » Sat, Aug 05, 2023, 6:42 AM UTC

freediver wrote: post #24

MrVandemar wrote: post #13

The top-ranked sources really show Kagi's current demographic. It obviously is attractive to programmers and IT professionals. I wonder if they are interested in attracting users with more diverse searching requirements, and if so, how they would be able to actually reach them.

> It obviously is attractive to programmers and IT professionals. I would say this is a blessing as it allows us to focus on things that matter to tech-savvy users (Kagi founder here). > I wonder if they are interested in attracting users with more diverse searching requirements, Yes, we are :) > if so, how they would be able to actually reach them Through our family plan [1], most likely. This is how I got my family…

One thing that I don't quite get about your family plans: why is the smaller plan ($14 for 1.5k queries) cheaper per query than the larger one ($20 for 2k queries)? Not that it's a big difference, but it feels off somehow.

Re: Most promoted and blocked domains among Kagi Search users

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Post by microflash » Sat, Aug 05, 2023, 6:43 AM UTC

slaw wrote: post #221

abtinf wrote: post #105

Every time Kagi comes up, a lot of folks say it is too expensive. That it should be unlimited. That if it was just $x per month, then it would be worth it. That they feel uncomfortable about the limits. I will simply say that I cannot imagine going back to being a “user” of a “search provider” over being a paying Kagi customer. It is the single most critical service I worry about losing. If they octupled the price to…

I don't see any people say Kagi is too expensive, where do you find them? I don't use Kagi as I found it useless. It is only UI for Google search. Yandex and Bing works better than Kagi.

I'd say it is expensive in countries where dollar conversion rates are very high due to inflation. I did ask about introducing different prices based on purchasing power parity in different geographies but got a very polite rebuff :)

Re: Most promoted and blocked domains among Kagi Search users

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Post by [deleted] » Sat, Aug 05, 2023, 6:45 AM UTC

7839284023 wrote: post #237

scarmig wrote: post #33

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Didn't Google have this feature like two decades ago (blocks, at least)? It's not quite a search innovation, more like a "caring about your users as a business strategy" innovation.

Use this: " uBlacklist is a Google Search filter for Chrome, Firefox and Safari. " https://iorate.github.io/ublacklist/docs

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Re: Most promoted and blocked domains among Kagi Search users

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Post by int_19h » Sat, Aug 05, 2023, 6:45 AM UTC

rchaud wrote: post #195

junon wrote: post #111

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W3 has a bad reputation because, at least a long while ago, it was rife with blatantly false or misleading information.

There's literally working code demos for everything on the site that's front-end or client-side.

Yes, and historically those code demos were often wrong in many important ways (like not working in all browsers, or insecure). They are much better now but reputation is hard to recover.

Re: Most promoted and blocked domains among Kagi Search users

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Post by ajkdhcb2 » Sat, Aug 05, 2023, 6:48 AM UTC

freediver wrote: post #214

radicality wrote: post #204

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Hi. Thanks for the great service! Any chance you would consider adding cryptocurrency payments as an option? You would load up the account with these prepaid credits, and then use whatever plan you want until the credits run out. This is how I pay for Mullvad and works well for me. I think would be nice as I see kagi is aiming to be privacy-forward. And it’s nice knowing that such a payment is a one-off and won’t for…

We have a discussion on our forum [1] about this. Input welcome! [1] https://kagifeedback.org/d/493-enable-anonymous-payments-ala...

Yikes, that thread reflects so badly on Kagi to me. Over a year of people explaining why Monero is needed if you actually cared about user privacy, with no results. Weird claims that it is difficult to implement. Can only conclude that the company doesn't actually care about user privacy

Re: Most promoted and blocked domains among Kagi Search users

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Post by int_19h » Sat, Aug 05, 2023, 6:49 AM UTC

jackson1442 wrote: post #212

josephcsible wrote: post #130

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> That it should be unlimited. Isn't that what their $25/mo plan gives you?

Yep. They’re trying to drop the price as well—users on an annual Legacy Professional plan have been given unlimited searches again (which is the $10/mo pricing). Really hoping this is sustainable because Kagi is night-and-day for me compared to google and ddg.

Is that a different thing from "early adopter professional"? Because that one still shows "$10/mo - 1,500 searches included" for me on the billing page.

Re: Most promoted and blocked domains among Kagi Search users

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Post by int_19h » Sat, Aug 05, 2023, 6:50 AM UTC

microflash wrote: post #243

slaw wrote: post #221

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I don't see any people say Kagi is too expensive, where do you find them? I don't use Kagi as I found it useless. It is only UI for Google search. Yandex and Bing works better than Kagi.

I'd say it is expensive in countries where dollar conversion rates are very high due to inflation. I did ask about introducing different prices based on purchasing power parity in different geographies but got a very polite rebuff :)

They claim that the prices are largely defined by the actual cost of the search, with fairly slim margins. In which case they literally can't do what you asked without becoming unprofitable.

Re: Most promoted and blocked domains among Kagi Search users

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Post by TeMPOraL » Sat, Aug 05, 2023, 6:56 AM UTC

esafak wrote: post #235

rchaud wrote: post #193

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Cable TV didn't use to have ads, until somebody figured out you could charge the customer and have other streams of revenue as well. For Kagi, it's a matter of when, not if. Capitalism guarantees it.

No, it does not. They are free to create adjacent products to boost revenue as long as they want without debasing existing ones.

And the oxygen in the room you're in is free to concentrate in a single corner of it, making air in the rest of the room unbreathable.

Both are technically possible, but so extremely unlikely, that you can rely on them not happening.

Re: Most promoted and blocked domains among Kagi Search users

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Post by Semaphor » Sat, Aug 05, 2023, 6:58 AM UTC

freediver wrote: post #24

MrVandemar wrote: post #13

The top-ranked sources really show Kagi's current demographic. It obviously is attractive to programmers and IT professionals. I wonder if they are interested in attracting users with more diverse searching requirements, and if so, how they would be able to actually reach them.

> It obviously is attractive to programmers and IT professionals. I would say this is a blessing as it allows us to focus on things that matter to tech-savvy users (Kagi founder here). > I wonder if they are interested in attracting users with more diverse searching requirements, Yes, we are :) > if so, how they would be able to actually reach them Through our family plan [1], most likely. This is how I got my family…

> We are also seeing more and more users who are not techies (but are tech-savvy) becoming members.

I’ve seen quite a few marketing people and researchers in (their discord channel) #introduce-yourself