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Re: What planes can you fly without a pilot’s license?

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Post by ryanmercer » Tue, Jul 18, 2023, 11:17 AM UTC

flangola7 wrote: post #212

ryanmercer wrote: post #199

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I'm guessing because a Google search of "Adderall side effects" immediately returned this: "Rare but severe side effects of Adderall can include emotional instability, psychiatric disorders and cardiovascular events. Adderall misuse can lead to seizures and death."

There are rare but terrible side effects for virtually all medications. What is your point?

That you don't want people with suicidal ideations flying planes.

There are plenty of medicines that warn against operating motor vehicles or heavy machinery, off the top of my head some blood pressure meds like Losartan and HCTZ because they can make you dizzy/prone to blacking out. I imagine there's similar logic here for pilots.

Re: What planes can you fly without a pilot’s license?

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Post by sealeck » Tue, Jul 18, 2023, 2:43 PM UTC

technick wrote: post #230

sealeck wrote: post #178

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I really wouldn't want someone with ADHD flying a plane – it's just not safe.

There's different degrees of ADHD, like in my case I don't have hyperactivity though I have issues completing things I'm not into, however if it's something I am passionate about, I'm 110% in on it. I have 19 hrs towards my private license, have flown 3 different lines of planes (Cirrus, Cessna, Piper), have a great understanding of aviation principles and aerospace science, and am confident I can operate in every cl…

Sorry I should have qualified that, for extreme cases of ADHD.

Re: What planes can you fly without a pilot’s license?

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Post by sonicshadow » Tue, Jul 18, 2023, 10:06 PM UTC

user_7832 wrote: post #200

Dalewyn wrote: post #156

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FAA's regulations are draconian, but they are that way because they are written in blood. When shit goes south, it doesn't matter whether you're a private or commercial pilot. Your plane is coming down regardless, and worst case you might take some other people with you to the other side. More than anything, flying is a luxury compared to something like driving which is a practical necessity or sailing which carries…

> FAA's regulations are draconian, but they are that way because they are written in blood. Could you give an example of a case where there was an incident because of a pilot’s diabetes or some other similar condition? Should folks with a family history of heart attacks also be then stopped from flying? Where do you draw the line of “this health condition is significant enough”? I’m not sure if you are familiar with…

Yeah one time a pilot was in the cabin and he died of diabetes

Re: What planes can you fly without a pilot’s license?

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Post by sonicshadow » Tue, Jul 18, 2023, 10:07 PM UTC

flangola7 wrote: post #215

Dalewyn wrote: post #196

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I literally have no idea what you're saying, did you ask ChatGPT for an insulting line? At least the other guy[1] was slightly thoughtful about the insult, relatively speaking. [1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36744872

No, I meant your comment is the type of meaningless word salad I expect from ChatGPT-3.5, not a thinking human being. Broad statements made with total authoritative confidence, yet completely untrue. You also don't get to complain about diversity and then turn around and whine when someone isn't as "thoughtful" towards you as you wish they were.

This sounds intelligent! Can you recommend me a brand of toilet paper?

Re: What planes can you fly without a pilot’s license?

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Post by lsh123 » Wed, Jul 19, 2023, 4:17 PM UTC

K0balt wrote: post #211

lsh123 wrote: post #120

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The link I posted above is from an instrument rated pilot of an instrument flight plan who nearly got himself and passengers killed in IMC. A couple or few hours under the hood is not nearly enough to handle actual IMC a few years later. And yes, in theory properly loaded certified plane can be recovered in most of the cases. But it is not going to help you to know that recovery takes 10k feet if you are at 8k AGL.

The pilot in question was obviously not actually qualified to operate in IMC, which he intentionally entered. If you are a pilot and do not take recurrent training or actively practice -in the aircraft you fly- on unusual conditions, you are actively in abdication of your responsibility as a pilot and should not be flying anything heavier than a part103 aircraft. There is a reason why even landing at night requires a…

Sorry I didn't realize you are a pilot and answer was very generic. But here is "unrecoverable" scenarios: - Accelerate beyond Va: need gentle control inputs will be required and it will take more time to recover; - Invert the plane: unless it's aerobatic your oil will stop flowing and engine will die very fast; - T-tails have problems with controls effectiveness that delay recovery.

> There is a reason why even landing at night requires a 90day currency...

With passengers. I don't like to fly at night in a single engine plane and I go months if not years between night (solo) landings. Granted I don't fly to unlighted runways, but in my experience landing at night on a lighted runway is not that harder than landing during the day.

> ... in a light aircraft will take more than about 1000 feet if properly executed. Perhaps in some aircraft as much as 2000 feet.

Many planes have been modified after the spin certification had been done. E.g. on my A36 I have tip tanks, radar, TN engine, anti-ice, ... I have no idea if it will recover from spin as expected or not. And I have no interest in testing it. I can tell you that I lose 500-600 feet in a stall. This gives me a hint that recovery from a spin might be more than 1000 feet.

Re: What planes can you fly without a pilot’s license?

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Post by lunaticlabs » Thu, Jul 20, 2023, 12:12 AM UTC

NoNameHaveI wrote: post #189

mschuster91 wrote: post #50

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Here in Germany, if you don't have an IFR (instrument flight rules) rating, you're not allowed to fly through clouds, because if you're not trained in using avionics or the plane doesn't have them in the first place, you are very very likely to kill yourself, your passengers and people on the ground. If you encounter unexpected clouds, you are supposed to GTFO... if you try to fly "under" the clouds, you may end up f…

Here in the USA, flying is rather expensive. I am told it is largely due to insurance costs. I am curious, what are common rates to fly a Cessna 172 wet/dry around the world?

I have a PPL in the US, and live in Germany. Essentially, the problem here is that there aren’t really any small airports or flight schools here in the same way, because their largely isn’t any recreational flying. There are gliders, and that’s about it. Even if I could rent here (I looked and it basically didn’t exist), my license is only good for US registered aircraft, so it would need to be converted into a EASA license. That process isn’t so worth pursuing unless I could afford my own aircraft, since recreational flying doesn’t exist.

Re: What planes can you fly without a pilot’s license?

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Post by zzless » Fri, Jul 21, 2023, 12:43 AM UTC

ryanwaggoner wrote: post #234

zzless wrote: post #208

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Here is a quote from AC No: 00-1.1A (Public Aircraft Operations): What Oversight of PAO Does the FAA Have? The FAA has limited oversight of PAO, though such operations must continue to comply with the regulations applicable to all aircraft operating in the NAS. The government entity conducting the PAO is responsible for oversight of the operation, including aircraft airworthiness and any operational requirements impo…

though such operations must continue to comply with the regulations applicable to all aircraft operating in the NAS

True, though this may mean many things. The only part of CFR 14 that mentions that a certificate is required for operating aircraft is CFR 14 61.3 which states that an unexpired certificate is required to `exercise the privileges' of that certificate. So if the PAO does not require the certificate to begin with, this part does not apply and one only has to comply with part 91 rules. Again, feel free to disagree, the sheriff told me this so who knows:)

Re: What planes can you fly without a pilot’s license?

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Post by imoverclocked » Fri, Jul 21, 2023, 4:51 PM UTC

pc86 wrote: post #41

CPLX wrote: post #37

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It can and would

If you have reason to know that they're there, sure. Flying over a high school football game is probably going to cause you issues. If you happen to be flying along and there happens to be a couple dozen people in the bleachers you fly over, you've unlikely done anything wrong.

I'm not a lawyer but I don't think negligence holds up well as a defense.

If the FAA is unhappy with what you have done or someone else who is loud enough is unhappy with what you have done, they can bend the loose definition to fit the situation. Look to Trent Palmer for a recent and pretty public version of this.