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Re: Newpipe.net removed from Google search results due to DMCA take down request

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Next step would be for the copyright-enforcement industry to sue VPN providers, claiming that they are making excessive profits by letting users sidestep the geofences, and so they must share some of the profits.

It is always amusing to see free marketeers complaining about getting free marketed.

A transferable monopoly given to artists as a reward for their creation is very capitalist, but I'm not sure you could call that "free market".

Re: Newpipe.net removed from Google search results due to DMCA take down request

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I have a set of test questions I use to gauge how badly a LLM model has been lobotomized whenever a new one is released. This post made me finally realize that google search is really going away (compromise core mission due to invalid DMCA request? really??) and that I will have to start looking for new search engines. This of course means that I need a way to gauge prospective search engines. My first attempt: - Sea…

Thought up of a few more search engine tests: - Search for specific git hashes, model numbers, and other forms of UIDs - Search for known phone numbers - Search for Tiananmen Square and Winnie the Pooh - Search for the Armenian genocide - Search for Mein kampf, Der Judenstaat, and other symbols used by extremists Unfortunately, I have a fairly western-centric view of the world. I need the perspectives of others with…

>I just want a reliable search engine tool that doesn't hide information from me

I don't think this is something that a ranked search algorithm can do while keeping everybody happy.

As an example, let's search for "vaccines cause autism". If you put "vaccines cause autism" content on top, some people are going to get very angry and think you're "hiding information" -- you haven't shown all the content debunking the claim. But, if you put "vaccines don't cause autism" first, some people are going to get very angry and think you're "hiding information", because you're not listing the original sources of the claim.

There are a million such examples with varying degree of controversy; you've listed some of them already, but others could be "penis enlargement pills", "best truck to buy 2023", "dakota access pipeline", "thai king opression".

You can't make an algorithm to distinguish fact from fiction, what counts as "information" and what doesn't. You can, at most, rank by consensus or popularity, but what's "popular" (or "allowed by the government") isn't necessarily true (or false). And you must rank your results somehow, there's just too much content.

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And that is a huge part of problem with sustainability and magnification of problems that would otherwise stay local. PFAS, microplastics, pollution... It's all consequence of overproduction of useless things that are consumed by society manipulated by ads. The product is "ad" itself if it is good. If not, you need extra advertisements. For me it is immoral to consume ads.

I think this is a category error. Those bad things aren't driven by ads. Ads drive economies of scale possible if people have heard of your product without word of mouth, which lower prices and help producers understand what people want. Productiveness will sometimes drive things like microplastics, as it's hard to know the effects of doing something new without doing that thing. That's the theoretical response. In p…

> That's the theoretical response. In practice: how would I sell my car without ads?

You make an announcement that you have a car to sell. Maybe provide some details. I don't think people mind announcement. They mind the intrusion and manipulation. So, I don't mind seeing in the paper that someone has a car to sell. But I absolutely hate when I'm forced to watch that you have the most beautiful car when I'm just loading an article.

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Biggest army in the world, also the only reason most of europe has freedom today and not a german dictatorship is the US in WW2. This is something europeans forget when complaining about "outsized" US influence but then also don't invest in defense and keep being safe just by the grace of the US. This comes with a price. PS: I'm from europe

Germany would have lost to Russia, they were already being beaten back when D-day happened. Europe would have become a communist dictatorship, not a german one.

"I want to tell you what, from the Russian point of view, the president and the United States have done for victory in this war," Stalin said. "The most important things in this war are the machines.... The United States is a country of machines. Without the machines we received through Lend-Lease, we would have lost the war." - Stalin

https://www.rferl.org/a/did-us-lend-lease-aid-tip-the-balanc...

Re: Newpipe.net removed from Google search results due to DMCA take down request

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Next step would be for the copyright-enforcement industry to sue VPN providers, claiming that they are making excessive profits by letting users sidestep the geofences, and so they must share some of the profits.

> geofences Geofences are a great way to start copyright reform. Bobby from Zambezia downloaded your new X-heroes movie, and you're complaining about piracy losses? How can you claim losses, if you're geofencing your content and don't want Bobby's money?!

Imagine an immaculately-formatted legal brief, complete with citations, that consists entirely of the phrase "fuck you" repeated indefinitely.

That's all the reasoning they need.

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I agree with you in spirit. Here's a thought experiment, though: if you manually skip sponsor segments every single time you watch a video by dragging the scrubber, is that any different from having a piece of software do as much for you, in an automated fashion?

If it is the same advert I've seen many times for one of those casual games that all look the same (battle of the tanks, tank war, waring tanks, battling tanks, fantasy tanks, tank fantasy, …) then that isn't even relevant to what I'm watching (I wonder how much they pay for a spot on an LTT vid or similar?) it'll get skipped every time. If it is something that might be relevant but I'm already aware (either I alread…

It’s not that it’s a hardship to press right a few times, it’s more that I’m trying to understand, academically, how to make a “respectful” skipping tool. Because I believe both that in-content ads are the most user respecting ads and deserve better engagement/treatment than “universally skip”, but also that users are not morally obligated to consume ads even for ad-sponsored content (is’t the advertiser’s, and only the advertiser’s, problem if users aren’t interested).

Sounds like the requirements would be: 1) it plays every new sponsorship pitch once, which you can still manually skip, and 2) it maybe asks you whether you want to skip on a per-instance level?

Re: Newpipe.net removed from Google search results due to DMCA take down request

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I clicked through to the lumen database link included[0], and it says "notice rescinded.".

There is no updated blog post. But newpipe shows up in a google search for me. Does anyone have an update on this article?

[0] https://lumendatabase.org/notices/34149383

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> advertising started using propaganda tactics to psychologically manipulate consumers Advertising and propaganda have always been the exact same thing, and in at least some latin languages it is plainly called propaganda in all occasions. As in people will say that they work in propaganda and universities offer degrees in propaganda.

>Advertising and propaganda have always been the exact same thing They're really not, though they are similar in many ways. They have different connotations: advertising is done generally by for-profit companies trying to sell stuff and make money, while propaganda is generally done by governments trying to shift or control public opinion. We have different words for these things for a good reason.

But is there really a good reason? The only difference is that one tries to make you buy something and the other tries to make you do something. It works in the same way, an entity trying to propagate their agenda.
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