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32“ E Ink screen that displays daily newspapers on your wall (2021)

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Re: 32“ E Ink screen that displays daily newspapers on your wall (2021)

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Depends on the person but it doesn't seem completely impossible - ignoring inflation, $250/yr for If they can manage it in 3min rather than 5, it's up to $13.70/hr. Where I am (UK) I think most newspaper delivery people are aged 13-18, and while there's far less of them about than when I was a kid, I wouldn't be surprised if >50% would be willing to do it to earn an extra $4.80/week. Of course, you also need to trust…

Very few people are going to add a 5 minute stop to their day to make an extra $8 every fortnight.

I think you're massively underestimating a) the amount of poverty even in the US (or whatever country you're thinking of) yet alone in places where the mean salary is only a couple of hundred bucks, and b) the limited options for making more money for the type of person who does paper rounds (often but not always <18yo, but always in a situation where they need/want the work of delivering newspapers for a low hourly rate and for likely less than a few hours a day).

Re: 32“ E Ink screen that displays daily newspapers on your wall (2021)

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The display is still expensive. $1500 for the panel, $500 for the driver board.[1]

As a status symbol, it probably has a limited lifespan. When Bill Gates built his first big house, he had big CRT monitors embedded in the walls to display art. Had to have working corridors behind the wall for that. Now, anybody on here could have that, but the result would look like a sports bar.

[1] https://shopkits.eink.com/en/product/detail/31.2''Monochrome...

Re: 32“ E Ink screen that displays daily newspapers on your wall (2021)

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For 2500 bucks I can probably pay the person who delivers my daily newspaper to come inside and hang it on the wall for me for at least 10 years.

No you couldn't.

My 13 y/o son delivers newspapers, he earns £24 per week for 6 mornings. He delivers around 16 newspapers a day. (£24/16)/6 days = £0.25 per paper.

365 days per year at £0.25 per day is £91.25 per year.

The most popular printed newspaper is the Daily Mail, I have no idea what the wholesale cost is, but the retail price is £30.33 per month So, worst case is £363.96 per year - but my expectation is that it is half that.

$2500 USD is currently £1946.66

£91.25 + £363.96 = £455.21

So, you totally can get the paper delivered by a 13 year old boy for ~4.25 years, by which time he'll retire off to college. However, if my premise is that wholesale cost of the paper is half what I thought it is, then 10 years sounds about right.

EDIT: I checked with him, and if you live close enough he'd be willing to come in and stick it on your wall every day, as long as he can get home in time for school.

Re: 32“ E Ink screen that displays daily newspapers on your wall (2021)

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Hey! It's Jay, I'm a journalist and developer and I've done most of the work on the front and backend of Project E Ink. Happy to answer your questions! So what we've done: we're indeed running our own Visionect servers these devices connect to. We've build a friendly and news-centered frontend so the display shows news, updates on new editions (or a user-set timeframe), or forgets about newspapers altogether and disp…

Why doesn't it have a way to directly push an image to the screen like a $30 router from worst buy? It looks like the software to push an image to a display can be run on your own device but then you need an $80 box and if I read this right you need to pay $72 a year forever. https://www.visionect.com/software/

Because the Visonect devices and software are meant for commercial and business customers as information displays that are centrally managed, not for use as a consumer product, and is designed around those use cases. That somebody bought one and repurposed it for a hobby art project doesn't change that.

Re: 32“ E Ink screen that displays daily newspapers on your wall (2021)

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Do e-ink screens require periodic refresh to keep the image? I was wondering if it's possible to load an image and remove power.

No. I have a hacked kindle that's been sitting in a drawer for years. The custom image it's displaying looks the same as when I set it.

Re: 32“ E Ink screen that displays daily newspapers on your wall (2021)

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Hey! It's Jay, I'm a journalist and developer and I've done most of the work on the front and backend of Project E Ink. Happy to answer your questions! So what we've done: we're indeed running our own Visionect servers these devices connect to. We've build a friendly and news-centered frontend so the display shows news, updates on new editions (or a user-set timeframe), or forgets about newspapers altogether and disp…

Why doesn't it have a way to directly push an image to the screen like a $30 router from worst buy? It looks like the software to push an image to a display can be run on your own device but then you need an $80 box and if I read this right you need to pay $72 a year forever. https://www.visionect.com/software/

Well if you’re sold on paying 2000 euro for the display it’s a drop in the bucket. Who reads newspapers in 2023 anyway? Why not just get a subscription to a newspaper for like $50/yr? Then you can sit and read it instead of standing facing a wall. I don’t get this product. A solution in need of a problem

Re: 32“ E Ink screen that displays daily newspapers on your wall (2021)

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Seriously? $2500 when you can get a cheap LCD for 50 bucks?

As someone reminded me on a very downvoted comment on another post, you're missing the point. :) It's about presentation or artistic value, not the contents of the image.

You can use an LCD panel to get a similar effect, but you'd need a reflective or transreflective display. Those aren't cheap either.

Re: 32“ E Ink screen that displays daily newspapers on your wall (2021)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hey! It's Jay, I'm a journalist and developer and I've done most of the work on the front and backend of Project E Ink. Happy to answer your questions! So what we've done: we're indeed running our own Visionect servers these devices connect to. We've build a friendly and news-centered frontend so the display shows news, updates on new editions (or a user-set timeframe), or forgets about newspapers altogether and disp…

> connect to any other Visionect server in the world Okay but what if, like a sane person, I don't want to give it direct internet access and have my own data I want to put on the wall? Can I pay less to get less (e.g. just the screen with an HDMI or DP connector so I can connect it to literally any raspi, picture frame, nuc, etc. etc. in my house)?

A pi in hostapd hotspot mode should work fine, right? Anyways I would guess most of the (“insane?”) target users of this device probably don’t want to mess with any of that.

Re: 32“ E Ink screen that displays daily newspapers on your wall (2021)

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I don't think I'm your target demographic but I always appreciate folks who make their hardware accessible like this. Thank you :)

Who is the target demo? I'm old enough to have had actual newspapers appear on my doorstep. I ever saw anyone mount them on a wall, at least not in a private home. I would think a table/tablet orientation would be more appealing than an awkward wall mount. Is this thing meant to be art, a bit of faux-nostalgia decoration?

I would guess people who spend a lot of money on interior design. It’s a nice statement piece IMO.

Re: 32“ E Ink screen that displays daily newspapers on your wall (2021)

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post #166

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I don't think I'm your target demographic but I always appreciate folks who make their hardware accessible like this. Thank you :)

Who is the target demo? I'm old enough to have had actual newspapers appear on my doorstep. I ever saw anyone mount them on a wall, at least not in a private home. I would think a table/tablet orientation would be more appealing than an awkward wall mount. Is this thing meant to be art, a bit of faux-nostalgia decoration?

I think it's not that dissimilar to people who have a rotary telephone in their kitchen in 2023, use records, play tapes, hack Commodore 64 systems, or who use old Panasonic handhelds. There's a degree of personal expression in vintage technology that exceeds mere nostalgia.

I can't speak for this creator, but often these niche products serve a community of like-minded, or in fact are the mechanism or way to find and connect with a community of like minded people.

I think of folks doing projects around old technology paradigms as similar people to those who grew up building hot rods and find building cars to be greatly satisfying. Hacking a newspaper on your wall is similar, but in more of a dick tracy watch ethos.

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