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Sao Paulo: A city with no outdoor advertisements (2013)

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Re: Sao Paulo: A city with no outdoor advertisements (2013)

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Post by lucideer »

tropdrop wrote: post #144
lucideer wrote: post #86

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> these are distinct forms of street art Can you elaborate on this? I've always thought a mural was just a type of graffiti?

Graffiti is usually tagging [1], but includes other forms of (non-sanctioned) random acts of art and, especially, writing. Wall murals are usually sanctioned – either there is permission granted to paint a wall, or, often, they are commissioned. Usually there is only one artist or company that makes the "complete" mural, with much planning and coordination, and no intervention by casual passerby. In the source below,…

This seems like a separation that's a little too clean to fit reality. Does that hard line of distinction really exist?

Certainly there are clear examples on both ends of the spectrum, but here's some closer to the boundaries of your definition from my own hometown - I wonder how you'd classify these:

1. This street of sanctioned individual pieces, mostly "tags" but elaborate full-wall pieces each by an individual tagger: https://maps.app.goo.gl/byceFqUQSaTeun2q6?g_st=ic

2. This unsanctioned (currently in court) full-building mural done by an ad agency: https://i.pinimg.com/originals/73/60/f6/7360f64042a71f241fe8...

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(personally I'd call the sanctioned tags both murals and graffiti, and definitely classify them as art, but I'd only call the ad agency piece a mural; neither graffiti nor art - though I fully acknowledge that last judgement is a subjective one and not something universal)

Re: Sao Paulo: A city with no outdoor advertisements (2013)

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Post by lostlogin »

dahart wrote: post #227
usefulcat wrote: post #211

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> it’s a fact that advertising drives our economy Is it really though? I could believe that advertising does incentivize people to buy things that they otherwise might not. But OTOH, if there were no advertising, people would still spend money, just differently. It's not as though people are going to start lighting money on fire in the absence of advertising.

I think so, in part. To be clear I’m not claiming it’s the only driver, nor the largest, but it’s undeniably large nonetheless. Consider that Google’s entire search existence is funded by ads, and there’s loads of competition. Basically all of TV and a lot of online streaming is ad funded. Magazines and radio and print media all get large portions of revenue via ads. I agree people would still spend money in a world…

The things you mention are media, and that world is heavily loaded with advertising.

Other industries have it but it isn’t attention whoring trash, it’s more subtle. The free coffee at a conference, the rep dropping by to say hello. The brand name on the pens.

The strong views against advertising are a very logical reaction to the obnoxious methods used.

Re: Sao Paulo: A city with no outdoor advertisements (2013)

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Post by irusensei »

Articles about São Paulo outdoor law comes back from time to time on HN. Maybe because people here have a hard on for central city planning? I don’t know but you should look elsewhere for your fix. This law ruined the beautiful Bairro da Liberdade, a neighborhood that used to have influences of japanese culture.

Re: Sao Paulo: A city with no outdoor advertisements (2013)

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Post by lostlogin »

Tade0 wrote: post #237
gota wrote: post #9

> Seven years on, the world's fourth-largest metropolis and South America’s most important city remains free of visual clutter and eye sore that plagues the majority of cities around the world. Unfortunately it suffers greatly - to a ridiculous level, in some places - from that ugliest kind of grafitti, convoluted "tags" made in single-stroke black ink I'm not sure if that is the case everywhere but in Brazil people…

These appear to be a worldwide phenomenon, except for places like Switzerland or Singapore. I'm this close to putting some ethanol into a hand sprayer and just walking around and removing them from places where the medium is permanent marker on laminated surface (usually signs).

> Singapore

A caning and prison time for graffiti seems harsh. It would be interesting to know if the penalty or some other social pressure is what keeps the graffiti down.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-31744029.amp

Re: Sao Paulo: A city with no outdoor advertisements (2013)

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Post by bradley13 »

Honestly, this is true of most creative activities. Playing an instrument? Singing? Painting? Drawing? Almost everyone has some sort of creative activity they enjoy.

The enjoyment comes in part from the lack of pressure. The activity doesn't have to pay the rent - at most, it's beer money.

Perhaps more negatively: expecting to make a living with something that millions do for fun? Hubris. Very few really are that good, but only very few.

For the rest of us? Enjoy your hobby for what it is.

Re: Sao Paulo: A city with no outdoor advertisements (2013)

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Post by vitorgrs »

hk__2 wrote: post #136
lucideer wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> these are distinct forms of street art Can you elaborate on this? I've always thought a mural was just a type of graffiti?

> Can you elaborate on this? I've always thought a mural was just a type of graffiti? According to Wikipedia it’s the opposite: a graffiti is a type of mural [1]. However at least in French and in Italian a graffiti is an inscription on a wall, often done as vandalism, while a mural(e) is more like a fresco which often takes the full wall. As a French, for me this [2] is a mural and this [3] is a graffiti. [1]: https…

Weird, in Brazil is the other way! Graffiti in Brazil is art, for vandalism we call pixação.

Re: Sao Paulo: A city with no outdoor advertisements (2013)

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Post by lostlogin »

kattagarian wrote: post #164
tobr wrote: post #85

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I’d take ugly street art over ugly advertisement. At least it’s not trying to manipulate you.

at least advertisement is not made on the wall of your house without your consent

Where do lit up displays fit in? Glaring, bright screens with moving images which are visible for miles.

Re: Sao Paulo: A city with no outdoor advertisements (2013)

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Post by koboll »

bradley13 wrote: post #246

Honestly, this is true of most creative activities. Playing an instrument? Singing? Painting? Drawing? Almost everyone has some sort of creative activity they enjoy. The enjoyment comes in part from the lack of pressure. The activity doesn't have to pay the rent - at most, it's beer money. Perhaps more negatively: expecting to make a living with something that millions do for fun? Hubris. Very few really are that goo…

I think you commented on the wrong link

Re: Sao Paulo: A city with no outdoor advertisements (2013)

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Post by lucideer »

hk__2 wrote: post #136
lucideer wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> these are distinct forms of street art Can you elaborate on this? I've always thought a mural was just a type of graffiti?

> Can you elaborate on this? I've always thought a mural was just a type of graffiti? According to Wikipedia it’s the opposite: a graffiti is a type of mural [1]. However at least in French and in Italian a graffiti is an inscription on a wall, often done as vandalism, while a mural(e) is more like a fresco which often takes the full wall. As a French, for me this [2] is a mural and this [3] is a graffiti. [1]: https…

Is graffiti always text? I know it's common but I didn't realise it was a rule.

What about something like this https://maps.app.goo.gl/oCbe2DZW1vqyXJ2h9?g_st=ic

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