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New study suggests that lab-grown meat produces up to 25 times more CO2

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How is the legality of residential chicken breeding relevant to this discussion on the environmental impact of lab-grown meat?

I responded to bs about so-called animal suffering. The logics is simple: if we have lab-grown meat than there is a probability that the owner of the lab starts lobbying refusal of eating animals somehow. We live in a world of feelings (SJW, metoo, *gate) so every time I meet such discussion in a lab-grown meat topics I feel an urge to remind about possible suffering of butchers.

I'm sure you're the most and maybe only rational person in the room. Other views that are well reasoned can not possibly exist, they must be the outgrowth of emotional manchildren and wömen. Maybe you should adopt an ancient Greek name.

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Off topic, but what am I saying that's "bitter fringe lunatic cultist talk"? Trying to understand where you're coming from

Your not one of them. You're also rational.

Cheers!

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> making meat more expensive through taxes or fewer subsidies on meat or feed grains (corn). But how is that any less dime a dozen? In theory, I agree with you. But the reality is, we don't have the politicians with the backbone or the will to say "I'm going to make your food more expensive." People lost it when eggs shot up in price. Imagine that across the entire diary and meats section at the supermarket? Incentiv…

Why don't we make greenhouse gas release in general more expensive. Why focus on a specific form of greenhouse gas release?

Because that too is going to spike prices somewhere somehow. And no "leaders" wants to be on the hook for that. The longer we kick the can waiting for a less pain solution the more we need that solution to be even more effective.

No one steps up to be accountable for waiting. No one steps up to be accountable for a painful solution.

What could go wrong? We're living it.

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> If the world adopted a plant-based diet we would reduce global agricultural land use from 4 to 1 billion hectares https://ourworldindata.org/land-use-diets All of this is `fighting the last war'. World population is going to fall precipitously by the end of the century. The scarcity thinking everyone is parroting is a relic of the 20th century and it gets in our way. It keeps us from thinking about creating abundan…

> World population is going to fall precipitously by the end of the century. That would be too late. Are you aware about the amount the destruction we cause? Without functioning ecosystems our civilization will perish, 100%. Some think we have 50 years, some are expecting the collapse any day now. UN Report: Nature’s Dangerous Decline ‘Unprecedented’; Species Extinction Rates ‘Accelerating’ https://www.un.org/sustain…

https://www.amazon.com/Apocalypse-Never-Environmental-Alarmi...

Re: New study suggests that lab-grown meat produces up to 25 times more CO2

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> World population is going to fall precipitously by the end of the century. That would be too late. Are you aware about the amount the destruction we cause? Without functioning ecosystems our civilization will perish, 100%. Some think we have 50 years, some are expecting the collapse any day now. UN Report: Nature’s Dangerous Decline ‘Unprecedented’; Species Extinction Rates ‘Accelerating’ https://www.un.org/sustain…

https://www.amazon.com/Apocalypse-Never-Environmental-Alarmi...

Don't look up!

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I'm not sure what your "not muh eggs!" story has anything to do with a discussion about animal ag industry and scaling meat production to global levels. For example, how much do your backyard chickens contribute to global egg consumption, and what would the egg market look like if all eggs came from chickens living like yours? That's the kind of topic going on here.

Animals converting plants to meat/protein is more efficient than humans directly eating an entirely plant based diet.

Uhm... where do animals get these extra calories from if not their food? Can you explain this to me please?

How can the calories out be more than the calories in?

Or are you suggesting people don't get all the calories they eat from plans? I don't think this is true.

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Or we could switch to eating plants now. We already get 82% calories and 63% proteins from plants. https://ourworldindata.org/land-use If the world adopted a plant-based diet we would reduce global agricultural land use from 4 to 1 billion hectares https://ourworldindata.org/land-use-diets We could stay on our 1% of habitable earth, lower our agricultural footprint from 48% of land to 15%, use quarter of pesticides,…

Many of the statistics quoted in your last paragraph are wrong. They are based on the premise that rewilding this land will naturally sequester carbon. That premise is completely contradicted by a study found two links down in the relevant links: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41612-023-00349-8 "Comparable GHG emissions from animals in wildlife and livestock-dominated savannas" > Pastoralism in Old World savannas i…

Cattle raised in an environment suited to them have a lower carbon footprint than raising them on former rainforest pasture, and by outsourcing cattle production to Brazil, who are actively clear-cutting the Amazon for the purpose of expanding the cattle industry, we also lose our carbon sink. Young trees are nowhere as effective at taking carbon out of the air as older trees, so replanting trees where there is current pasture is losing sight of the target, because we're busy turning old-growth-forest into pasture elsewhere in the world.

https://sustainablefoodtrust.org/news-views/defras-plans-for...

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The skepticism comes from a keen awareness that technology is not a solution in itself. You've made a common logical fallacy; it is true that factory farming and solar panels can solve specific problems. But measuring the progress of the proposed solution doesn't measure its effectiveness at solving the fundamental problem at scale. Nor does it prove that the technology is appropriate or necessarily better than alter…

> If factory farms are a solution for providing reducing the impact of traditional farms You've misread their comment: > Factory farming is a real problem to solve.

Ironically “factory farming” would be a great name for lab-grown meat at scale if it wasn’t already taken.

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Why do you go directly to the extreme implementation? No one said anything about "enforcement". There are ways to push society towards a better paradigm without enforcement. We also shouldn't let the lowest common denominator have a say in the direction of society. People that "would go to war" over the fact that they should eat less red meat are not exactly of sound mind.

So your answer is "we'll just manipulate people without them noticing"? How will that not backfire? > People that "would go to war" over the fact that they should eat less red meat are not exactly of sound mind. I see nothing in their position that indicates they aren't of sound mind. They're inconvenient to your own position, and you're willing to manipulate them if you can manage the trick. Maybe you're worried tha…

Who said anything about "manipulation"? Do you know that influence is not tantamount to manipulation? Do you know that many of your own behaviors are most likely subsidized by government and therefore you are being economically influenced (or in your perspective "manipulated")? Have you ever heard of a Sin Tax? Have you ever realized that Expansionary Policy is often put into place in order to influence (your perspective is "Manipulate"). I would encourage you to learn a little about economics before trying to hypothesize why and what makes people go to war.
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