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Goodbye, Twilio

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Re: Goodbye, Twilio

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Post by Quarrelsome »

paxys wrote: post #97

"The company was great when it was just engineers, but then they hired account managers and sales reps and business people and marketers who ruined everything." Common refrain from developers at SaaS companies who don't realize that the party they were enjoying all these years was directly funded by VC dollars, and these other people who they hate so much in fact do critical jobs and are necessary for converting all…

the interests of account-managers/sales-reps and developers are often in conflict over resource allocation. Its natural for those interests to compete and I feel like brushing off one side of this coin as juvenile whining is a partisan position to take.

Its a common problem in tech and finding the balance between the two is arguably a big part of long-term success for an org in this industry.

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Post by brigadier132 »

rapind wrote: post #181
brigadier132 wrote: post #169

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The world is trivially not zero sum. If it were zero sum we would all be living worse off than medieval peasants

Every “win-win” most certainly produces side effects, usually unmeasured, which leads to naive statements like “it’s not zero sum”. We may no longer be peasants (hard to prove), but a large number of extinct species and ecological disasters would like to argue the “not zero sum” point.

If the world were zero sum, that means no new value has been created for humanity, ever. The world population has grown ~22x since 1400s. Are we now splitting our meager peasant loaves of bread 22 ways?

Nobody cares about your stupid degrowth ideology that advocates for death and people to be poorer. Just state what you actually are, which is anti-human.

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Post by fastball »

ds0 wrote: post #11

Tangentially, I'd like to shout out both Miguel's work both in explaining the Flask web development framework for Python as well as his work developing Flask-SocketIO, both of which I've used extensively.

I've had to move away from Python-SocketIO due to countless regressions and subtle failures of the library.

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Post by dools »

jeffiel wrote: post #36

Thank you Miguel for all of your contributions to Twilio over the past four years, and I hope your next gig is just as rewarding! For all those interested in why we acquired Segment, and are focused on the integration of data and communications -- several years ago, we came to the conclusion that the world doesn't need more communications, it needs better communications. More relevant. More effective. As a developer,…

Hey there, this is tangential but you just launched limited MMS support in Australia, but no voice and not 2-way and from what I can gather only on the Optus network.

I offer a virtual mobile number that does voice, txt and mms in Australia which could be globalised, interested in chatting?

Re: Goodbye, Twilio

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Post by XorNot »

Daz1 wrote: post #240
rajanaccros wrote: post #214

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> I don’t think any CEO can be moral if your primary obligation is “shareholder value”. I am really glad I am starting to see a lot more posts here on HN with regard to this fact. Capitalism is literally destroying everything and has proven itself not to be a viable system for long term sustainability and a healthy society and ecosystem. Some of the smartest people on the internet aggregate on HN and some have still…

Capitalism is the driving force behind everything you enjoy about your modern, comfortable life.

As much as I disagree with the OP, this is just as naive. What we enjoy about our modern lives in Western societies is a productive mixed-market economy. The "pure capitalism" argument is just as naive as to pretend it's failed with no redeeming features (which itself, is fallacious because the critics propose no alternative they care to describe - but pointing out a problem with the current system doesn't mean anything if you can't raise a reasonable alternative).

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Post by akg_67 »

jeffiel wrote: post #114
swyx wrote: post #100

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first of all, big admirer of you. if you feel inclined, would really love your comment on OP's observation: > Sadly, us developers are not at the center of everything anymore at Twilio. it does seem the recent messaging has de emphasized that in favor of "Customer Engagement Platform". as the originator of "Ask Your Developer" (I read your book!) that has to sting a little bit. would love to hear your thinking on how…

At this phase we have to talk both to the business and to developers. Only talking to developers isn’t savvy or smart. AWS etc do the same thing. We can have good APIs and make a compelling case to the business why they should pay for it. I agree that sometimes our engagement messaging isn’t quite right for developers. As a developer, I prefer more technical and matter of fact marketing of products. But interestingly…

> At this phase we have to talk both to the business and to developers. Only talking to developers isn’t savvy or smart. AWS etc do the same thing.

AWS does it well for both, may be learn from them. Twilio outbound communication has turned completely undecipherable (too much marketspeak) for both business and developers. The billboards in Miguel's blog post sums up the stark contrast very well. There need to be a balance.

Just an anecdotal data point, recently a company was interested in integrating internet voice calling systems, having used Twilio about 8 years ago, I suggested them to check out Twilio. The company mentioned they couldn't figure what Twilio does and doesn't and in the end went with the solution being pushed by local Telco.

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Post by 29athrowaway »

cyberax wrote: post #217
29athrowaway wrote: post #177

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Then you didn't read the SDS.

Here's an MSDS for glyphosate: https://s3-us-west-1.amazonaws.com/agrian-cg-fs1-production/... * No more than slightly toxic and no significant adverse health effects are expected to develop if a small amount (less than a mouthful) is swallowed. * May be slightly irritating to the skin. Here's an MSDS for dishwashing liquid: https://hesco.ca/pdf/msds/J429%20MSDS_E-5%20%20DISH%20MACHIN... When working with it, you're…

This is the one sold to residential consumers, and the one used by most lawn care companies.

https://labelsds.com/images/user_uploads/Roundup%20Pro%20Con...

"Remove soiled clothing immediately and clean thoroughly before using again. Wash thoroughly and put on clean clothing. Keep working clothes separately. Garments that cannot be cleaned must be destroyed (burnt)."

"Chemical-resistant gloves (barrier laminate, butyl rubber, nitrile rubber or Viton) Wash gloves when contaminated. Dispose of when contaminated inside, when perforated or when contamination on the outside cannot be removed. Wash hands frequently and always before eating, drinking, smoking or using the toilet."

"Use tightly sealed goggles and face protection."

"Wear long-sleeved shirt and long pants and shoes plus socks"

No residential user cares about any of this.

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Post by galkk »

We all know true reasons why a lot engineers leave at about 4 year mark, it doesn’t need long post with justification.

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Post by rajanaccros »

Daz1 wrote: post #240
rajanaccros wrote: post #214

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I don’t think any CEO can be moral if your primary obligation is “shareholder value”. I am really glad I am starting to see a lot more posts here on HN with regard to this fact. Capitalism is literally destroying everything and has proven itself not to be a viable system for long term sustainability and a healthy society and ecosystem. Some of the smartest people on the internet aggregate on HN and some have still…

Capitalism is the driving force behind everything you enjoy about your modern, comfortable life.

How is it the driving force behind everything comfortable? If another system was in place are you saying that we would not have had progress towards human comfort? And it seems you are assuming that I wouldn't give up a comfortable life for a more fair and just system with less market externalities? If your measure for success is comfort, then you are the exact person I am trying to convince that we need something else.
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